Talk:Lindsay Anderson

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Father[edit]

His father was an army officer - was he a 2nd lieutenant or a general? 88888 17:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A major general. Millbanks (talk) 22:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If his father was born in Bangalore, surely he would have been an Indian army officer? [E.g. a white officer]. 86.132.54.134 (talk) 09:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lindsay Anderson was born in Bangalore, not his father. Millbanks (talk) 22:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Personal Life[edit]

Personal Life uses a quote from Actor Malcolm McDowell saying In November 2006 Malcolm McDowell told The Independent: "I know that he was in love with Richard Harris the star of Anderson's first feature, This Sporting Life. I am sure that it was the same with me and Albert Finney and the rest. It wasn't a physical thing. But I suppose he always fell in love with his leading men. He would always pick someone who was unattainable because he was heterosexual."

The article in the Independent (reference 11 in the Wikipedia article) states in full:

The novelist, screenwriter and critic Gavin Lambert (who died last summer) was a close friend of both McDowell and Anderson. Nonetheless, some of Anderson's circle were outraged by Lambert's memoir, Mainly About Lindsay Anderson, in which he posited the idea that the film-maker was a repressed homosexual who fetishised the male body on camera. Then it mixes McDowell's words in with it's own:

Lambert had "come out" very early. Anderson, the son of a major-general, was from a background where - as McDowell puts it - "you don't come out... I think he [Anderson] was what you call now a celibate homosexual. I remember having a great discussion with Gavin and saying that he [Anderson] would never have made If... like it was, with this repressed homosexuality throughout, if he had been out like you. He would not have made these films with this angst, this edge and this poetic side.

"I know that he was in love with Richard Harris [the star of Anderson's first feature, This Sporting Life]. I am sure that it was the same with me and Albert [Finney] and the rest. It wasn't a physical thing. But I suppose he always fell in love with his leading men. He would always pick someone who was unattainable because he was heterosexual."

So—the Wikipedia article chooses to use only the last paragraph saying,"He would always pick someone who was unattainable because he was heterosexual." and leave out "I think he [Anderson] was what you call now a celibate homosexual." Also the article quotes McDowell saying, "I remember having a great discussion with Gavin and saying that he [Anderson] would never have made If... like it was, with this repressed homosexuality throughout, if he had been out like you."

McDowell in this quote is talking to Gavin, not the Independent. In saying "I remember having a great discussion with Gavin and saying that he [Anderson] would never have made If... like it was, with this repressed homosexuality throughout…" says McDowell discussed this with the other only source Wikipedia gives, Gavin Lambert. The Personal life section states " Gavin Lambert's memoir, Mainly About Lindsay Anderson, in which he claimed that Anderson repressed his homosexuality, was seen as a betrayal by his other friends.[citation needed ]"

These sources are talking ton each other right within McDowell's quote. That not only contaminates Lambert and McDowell as separate independent sources but is not clear that the fact that some of Anderson's friends (circle) were unhappy about Lambert's memoir comes from the same source as the McDowell quote.

If the McDowell quote is going to be used it must be used in full because it is self contradictory. Util someone is able to research this properly, I recommend taking out the McDowell quote but if not it must be used in full or it's pick and choose to say what the Wikipedia article writer wanted it to say rather that the full truth. ^[1] Tomandzeke (talk) 20:14, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How would Malcolm McDowell know if Lyndsey Anderson was gay or not? What makes him an expert on Anderson's sexuality? More to the point If nobody no for sure that Wikipedia can trust to make a definitive statement whether or not the guy was gay, why mention it at all?Tomandzeke (talk) 20:14, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that the quotes seem to be speculative and indulge in circular reasoning. I wouldn't vote for eliminating them entirely, but rather contextualizing that it's not established whether Anderson was gay or not, and removing the categories for the moment. I'll take care of that. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 18:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/malcolm-mcdowell-lindsay-anderson-and-me-424385.html

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