Talk:Lionel Barrymore/Archive 1

Archive 1

Catholic divorce?

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Ethel never remarried after her 1923 divorce staying true to their mother's Catholic conversion.

This makes no sense. The Roman Catholic Church does not now and never has embraced divorce in any form or for any reason. There are no "justifiable grounds" in Catholicism. Therefore, claiming that Ethel somehow adhered to Catholic practice by failing to remarry following her divorce is nonsense. By divorcing, she failed to "stay true to" the conversion, whether she remarried or not or became a libertine or a nun. By divorcing, she was not staying "true" to the conversion. Period. Yes, if she was widowed and chose not to remarry, she would be in keeping with Catholic practice, and if widowed and she chose to remarry she would be breaking with it. But the fact of her remarriage or not is irrelevant: by choosing to divorce, she broke with the Church's teachings and acceptable practices; she ceased to be Catholic. She was not "true" to "her mother's...conversion". 71.200.140.35 (talk) 15:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Alright, alright. She didn't divorce him, he divorced her. Sheeesh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.23.26 (talk) 20:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

• So what should she have done. She's pretty much up the creek whether she divorced him(and she did initiate) or if he divorced her? Should she have lived like Spencer Tracy, a hypocrite? She could've easily converted to another faith. Her mother at least twice nearly divorced her father for philandering, read the family story. John and Lionel never heeded the Catholic faith yet John was given last rites prior to his death. Ethel in her autobiography never said her 'religious' faith hindered her from remarrying. Like many women who've been through a hard time in the first marriage, they simply give up to future marriages(but not relationships) and put an end to the emotional turmoil. She also may not have received any marriage proposals like she did at the turn of the century as she was no longer the sparkling young thing of 21. She in the mid 1920s was in her 40s and with three children. We don't even know if it was all Russell's fault for the failing of the marriage. It's between the two of them. The Catholic faith was forced to step into the 20th century a little as they did not at one time allow cremations, now they do! The strict confines of the faith make strident hypocrites out of people like Spencer Tracy. Koplimek (talk) 22:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Largely unsourced

This article has very little to almost no sources. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 06:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

• well help put some in!Koplimek (talk) 22:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Photo

I accidentally deleted one of the photos on the page. I tried to put it back, but I have no idea how. How do I get it back? AlbertSM (talk) 22:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Birthday April 12

To all you idiots out there who keep changing his birthday to April 28 1878, that is incorrect. Lionel himself and James Kotsilibas Davis have the April 12 date. Davis has him 'christened' April 28 and early on this has been misconstrued to be his birthday. I had this cited twice and included an excerpt from Lionel's auto-bio from GoogleBooks and still someone removed it. So I'll leave the incorrect info in. Koplimek (talk) 21:44, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Infancy

The article states, "neither baby girl survived infancy" and is wrong. According to TCM, both were over age two. This is well past infancy. An infant is defined as 0-12 months. That is also a standard definition in the medical field. The whole sentence needs rewording. MagnoliaSouth ^(talk) 05:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

TCM is usually a fountain of misinformation. The first girl died within a year of age in Paris where Lionel and his first wife were living in 1908. It was linked in a 1908 New York Times article. I myself am not sure about the second girl who appears, according to Barrymore family biographer James Kotsilibas Davis, to have been born about 1916. But the first girl was born in France in 1908 and didn't survive the year. Koplimek (talk) 20:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Separate Lionel Barry Filmography page

• Seeing that Lionel was a performer for D. W. Griffith and appeared in numerous short films like Lillian Gish, Blanche Sweet and Mary Pickford, should Lionel receive a separate page devoted just to his filmography just like those ladies have? then all of his films can be listed without cluttering up his main wiki article. Koplimek (talk) 20:13, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Income tax

Under politics, there's an odd statement which reads "Barrymore loathed the income tax, which kept him working to the end of his life."

I don't understand what his hatred of a tax has to do with him working. It appears to suggest that the tax took so much of his income, he was a pauper. I'm going to remove the second part unless it's better explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.71.116 (talk) 07:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC)