Talk:List of Andorra international footballers

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that despite playing as a defender, Ildefons Lima is the leading goalscorer in the history of the Andorra national football team?

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1993[edit]

Regarding my edit, User:Kosack's revert and the external source concerned, that's fine, but the text now strongly implies that Andorra was not a country until 1993.

Until that date, Andorra was governed by French and Spanish dignitaries, was not a member of the UN and did not have a constitution or formal foreign relations on its own, but despite that, it surely was considered a country as opposed to something else. In the various lists of countries by population by year, such as the 1900 list, Andorra is listed as a country and not as a dependent territory or something. Even today, Andorra continues to be formally ruled jointly by the French President and the (Spanish) Bishop of Urgell.

The source's point is that the 1993 political developments in Andorra directly prompted the formation of the national team. However, the Andorrans probably could have formed it earlier than that had they wished to do so. Back then, UEFA still did not require that new members had to have UN recognition, which is why the Danish-dependent Faroe Islands could be admitted. In fact, even Switzerland didn't join the UN until 2002. The timing of Andorra's first competitive matches (the year 1998) is more or less in line with those of some other European microstates such as the Faroe Islands, San Marino (both 1990), and Liechtenstein (1994). In other sports, Andorra has been participating in the Olympics regularly since 1976. --Theurgist (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to sign the above, so the WP:PING function can't have worked. Adding this line and pinging User:Kosack now. --Theurgist (talk) 22:18, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Theurgist: I'm not really well versed in Andorran history so I'm really trying to make sense of it all. I would say something clearly changed that prompted the formation of the Andorran Football Federation and subsequently, the national league and team. Plenty of other microstates had played long before the 90s. Perhaps FIFA adjudged that Andorra was politically too close to Spain or France to be considered an independent entity until the constitution was brought in? I would say it's too much of a coincidence that the Football Federation is founded soon after and the football team follows suit. Kosack (talk) 06:51, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, "although the country held a successful constitutional referendum", would be more accurate? Kosack (talk) 06:54, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How about something like, "A referendum was held in Andorra in 1993, which resulted in the adoption of the country's constitution, the modernization of its political system, and its admission to the UN [that's more or less how Andorra#History puts it], and also prompted the formation of the Andorran Football Federation (AFF) and the country's national team. The AFF joined UEFA and FIFA in 1996, and the team played its first official international fixture on 13 November of that year"? --Theurgist (talk) 22:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]