Talk:List of European stadiums by capacity

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capacity?[edit]

is this seating capacity or standing? or what —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.136.46.232 (talk) 16:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

its standing capacity, although many top stadia like camp nou and wembley are all-seaters. For example, Signal-Iduna-Park has a current 80.708 Bundesliga capacity, which drops to around 60.000 when in all-seater-configuration (the sudtribune is usually only stands for about 25.000).

No, the above comment is wrong, the capacities are the total capacity, included seated and standing places. Willy turner (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

San Siro[edit]

Many sites say that San Siro has a capacity of 85,700, making it the third largest and Croke Park the fourth.

As I understand it, since Heysel, European stadia have licensed capacities, and that is (if I am correct), the official version, whatever other sources may say. It shouldn't be difficult to sort this out. Rodhullandemu 01:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gelredome[edit]

I think that there are some wrong things in the list.

Gelredome, Arnhem, the Netherlands has 32,500 places to occupy in non-concert, and they are not included in the list while the bottom 10 have got less places in their stadium. This should be corrected now!

87.195.12.169 15:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC) Look at the Gelredome website, worldstadiums.com and fussballtempel.net; all of which give a capacity below 30k. Willy turner (talk) 04:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sheffield United[edit]

Elsewhere on Wikipedia it says that the Bramall Lane ground of Sheffield United Football Club is over 32000, but it does not appear on this list. I suspect that this list is incomplete, and a note to this effect should probably be placed at the top until someone can come up with a definitive list. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.124.16.33 (talk) 10:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency[edit]

This article can not decide if the plural of stadium is stadia or stadiums. Personally, I prefer stadia but I will bow to whatever the accepted Wikipedia standard is. 199.203.68.2 (talk) 16:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC) Cymruisrael (talk) 16:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you look up any dictionary you will find that both stadiums and stadia are acceptable plurals for stadium. I speak British English, and in Britain by far the most used plural is stadiums. Willy turner (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be okay to use the Ulster flag instead of the Northern Irish flag for GAA stadiums in the North?[edit]

Would it be okay to use the Ulster flag instead of the Northern Irish flag for GAA stadiums in the North? Since in GAA terminology, there's no Nothern Irland, but the Province of Ulster I'd like to change the flags to the flags of Ulster as used by the GAA. Jorgenpfhartogs (talk) 10:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would say no. The flags are to represent geographic locations, not sports organizations. Instead of linking to the GAA article, you could link to the Ulster GAA article for home teams. Patken4 (talk) 12:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which is exactly why I would say yes. The geographical position is the province of Ulster and not Northern Ireland. For soccer stadiums in the North the geographical position could be Northern Ireland but there are no GAA stadiums in Northern Ireland. Jorgenpfhartogs (talk) 00:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If no other objections I'll go ahead and change the flags for GAA stadiums in Ulster to the Ulster flag or Irish flag. Jorgenpfhartogs (talk) 22:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Belfast is not part of R.O.I. As wiki is supposed to have the correct infomation this should be the Union Jack as Belfast is part of the UK. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.13.242.26 (talk) 18:11, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Izmir?[edit]

I can understand why Istanbul is in this list since that city is partly European, but Izmir is in Asia so I say it should be in a list of Asian stadiums. Jorgenpfhartogs (talk) 08:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is actually in the list of Assian stadiums as well, so are some of the Istanbul stadiums so I'll check the actual location for those and then add them to Asia and delete here or add them if in Europe. Jorgenpfhartogs (talk) 08:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When creating the page I checked which side of the Bosphorous Istanbul stadiums were on and added them to Asia or Europe accordingly. Someone may have changed them since then. Willy turner (talk) 18:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then what about Hrazdan Stadium? It's in Armenia and the capacity is 55000 not 69000 as listed. UEFA listed them as UEFA European Stadia that's why they are on the European list. UEFA Cup Final in 2009 will be at Sukru Saracoglu Stadium which is on Asian side of Bosphorus. A european cup will take place in Asia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.246.184.30 (talk) 01:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Estadio La Rosaleda (Málaga, Spain)[edit]

According to Diario Sur ([1]), La Rosaleda has a capacity of 28,900 seats.-No, the capacity of La Rosaleda is 35,530.See it in the Málaga CF's article.Must put La Rosaleda in the 105 position. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.108.65.118 (talk) 15:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

israeli stadiums[edit]

since israel is a member of uefa and for all practical sports purposes is a european country it's stadiums should be included in this article. currently there is one stadium in israel large enough to be included - the Ramat-Gan staduim with a capacity of 41,000+ spectators. If there are no objections i will add it to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.130.248.103 (talk) 09:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I object. Israel isnt in Europe. The fact it is a member of UEFA is not relevant. Hence Australian stadiums are not included in the Asian list, although its football team is a member of the Asian federation. The Ramat Gan is already included in the Asian list. Willy turner (talk) 04:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Willy. These lists are broken down by continent, not confederation. Patken4 (talk) 20:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stamford Bridge[edit]

Hi,

Stamford Bridge is not in the list for European stadiums.

According to the list of English stadiums the capacity for Stamford Bridge is 42,360.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_stadiums

The Chelsea website have the capacity at 41,841.

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/ClubInfo/0,,10268,00.html

Both would put Chelsea's stadium in the list at either 72 or 74. However i am not sure which one is correct, i am inclined to go with Chelsea's website as it is their stadium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unreal229 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how it was missed, but I have added the Bridge to the list. Patken4 (talk) 13:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strahov Stadium, Prague[edit]

This stadium has a capacity of 220,000 is there a criteria by which we are defining stadia on this article?

Article Strahov Stadium.

Bobbyfett 18:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because it no longer hosts sporting events. The same applies to the Pontiac Silverdome. Patken4 (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not only does it no longer host a team, it is clearly not even a stadium in the common use of the term. Strahov is a complex of 8 football pitches with a small spectating area around the entire circumfrance. Willy turner (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Ireland Flag[edit]

For C of E. Could you please read Wikipedia:Flag#Entities_without_flags_until_after_a_certain_point_in_time and Flag of Northern Ireland. Because of those two pages the Ulster Banner is not to be used. An example page were this is carried out is List of countries by intentional homicide rate. You may claim the flag is used by the NI football team, but because this is not solely a football page, real life practices have to come into affect.MITH 09:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree the Ulster Banner is not the flag of NI and a sports ground doesn't represent NI it just happens to be there. BigDuncTalk 11:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Again I have removed the UB from this article it is not the flag of NI. BigDuncTalk 10:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have also. O Fenian (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't the country be listed as United Kingdom anyway?Hrcolyer (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. BigDunc 18:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I think that Northern Ireland should not have any flag on the list, since it has no specific flag of its own. As I understand it, the Union Flag is the only flag that can be flown on the NI Assembly buildings, but it is clearly not the specific flag of NI. I propose that NI be flagless, as on List of British stadiums by capacity, and that a note be added explaining why this is, with reference to Flag of Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland flags dispute. Willy turner (talk) 22:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Former or Demolished Stadiums capacity[edit]

For the Former or Demolished Stadiums section, is the capacity supposed to be the highest the stadium ever had or the capacity at the time of it's closing (if it can be found)? For example, Victoria Ground has a highest capacity of 56,000, but it was 22,500 at the time it closed. Thanks! Patken4 (talk) 12:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well I say it is for the capacity they had at time of closing. The C of E (talk) 11:13, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Páirc Uí Chaoimh[edit]

How does this stadium manage to occupy both 44th and 68th position simultaneously? Sarah777 (talk) 19:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They lease part of it off occasionally as a donkey track. That explains the variation. Rodhullandemu 01:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vicente Calderon stadium capacity[edit]

This stadium in Madrid appears two times in the table. To delete one it is necessary to know which is the correct capacity. ˇˇˇˇ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xadrezista (talk • contribs) 09:27, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well pull your finger out of your arse and look up Athletico Madrids website then Willy turner (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kazakhstan[edit]

Patken4, The Wikipedia article says that Kazakhstan is in Eastern Europe as well as in Asia so I guess it's stadia can be included 15:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The city of Astana, where the stadium in question is located, is in Asian part of Kazakhstan. It is east of the Ural River. Only a small section in northwest Kazakhstan is geographically in Europe. I will revert the revert. Patken4 (talk) 15:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Historical flags[edit]

Should we for continuity issues include in the demolished list the historical flags on the list from the time when the stadium was closed? So for example, for the Deuches Stadion we have the nazi flag or for Camp de Les Corts have the flag of Franco's Spain. The C of E (talk) 21:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it appears to be wiki consensus that historical flags be used; for example look at any articles on early World Cups.Willy turner (talk) 22:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stadiums under Cover[edit]

The article lists Wembley as the world's largest stadium with every seat under cover, but Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, TX has a maximum capacity of 110,000 and every seat is covered.Topher (talk) 22:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC) (talk • contribs) 22:21, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I expect it's something to do with Wembley being the largest open stadium... A domed stadium is technically an arena, even if it is used for traditionally outdoor sports (hence the use of Stadium)Hrcolyer (talk) 15:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's because Cowboys Stadium has 30,000 plus standing room only locations. Cowboys Stadium has 80,000 seats. Patken4 (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dont worry, that dubiuos fact no longer appears, because only one image is required. Lists are not image galleries Willy turner (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic Stadium Kiev[edit]

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro2012/news/newsid=576341.html This page suggests that current works are reducing the capacity of the stadium. Should it still be in the list so high then? Hrcolyer (talk) 15:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Technically it currently has a capacity of zero because it is undergoing a complete refurbishment. Previously I removed Soccer City from all lists when it was in the same situation, however I dont care one way or another. Willy turner (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Links & flags[edit]

Two questions

  1. Is there any benefit in the (often multiple) links to cities and countries? The links to the stadiums are what this article is really about - for anyone who wants to know more about the city or country the stadium is in, there will be a link in the stadium's own article. (Not to mention that almost all of them are places that will be known to almost all readers already.)
  2. Are the flag icons really appropriate? These stadiums are in a particular country, of course, but they don't represent their country in the way a sports team does. Not all of them are even venues used by national teams. Colonies Chris (talk) 13:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, the aim of the list is to be as usefull as possible. Clearly many of the locations are probably completely unknown to many readers. Yes the flag icons are useful as a visual aid to anyone scanning the list. Any removal of flag icons or city and country liking will be immediately reverted. Willy turner (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

== Proposed section rollback ==

I've just looked at the recent edits by 86.58.16.244 and it seems like he has removed the link to the List of stadiums under construction page and added a lesser fraction version from that page in it's place. Since he has made many edits (and to save us tedious time reverting them all) I think we need to roll back all his recent edits. I have made the request to User:King of Hearts but I don't know if he can pick it up before someone else edits so if theres anyone with rollback rights (or knows someone online with them) who reads this could they please do the rollback please (if KOH hasn't already done it). The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

oops! Never mind, I was thinking of the wrong page, Sorry! The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Soccer biased introduction instead let the facts speak for themselves[edit]

The first paragraph is fine "The following is an incomplete list of the largest sports stadiums in Europe. They are ordered by their capacity; that is the maximum number of spectators the stadium can accommodate." but inaccurate, as it needs to define what large means in this case 30,000 or greater.

But the next two paragraphs are soccer biased.

For example the paragraph "Most large stadiums" has two problems the first is what is the definition of large? if it is >=90K then it is both are used for soccer and one is also used for rugby league. If >=80k then saying "Most large stadiums in Europe are used for association football" is misleading. The sentence needs to define what large means. Also are none of these stadia used for athletics?

It is true that in in England the two largest stadia have only been used for Rugby League, but that does not tell us anything about what the stadia are predominantly used for (Soccer and Union). So the comment "Most large stadiums in Europe are used for association football" does not say anything meaningful.

The ordering of the phrasing "a smaller number are used predominately for rugby union, some are used occasionally by rugby league, as well as Gaelic games such as Gaelic football, hurling and camogie." has a problem because it can be read that some are used for Gaelic games occasionally instead of predominantly. If the sentence is to be kept then it needs to be reordered eg "a smaller number are used predominately for rugby union and for Gaelic games (such as Gaelic football, hurling and camogie), and some of them also are used occasionally by rugby league"

I have no idea if Twickenham stadium is "eligible as UEFA" but given that the FA Cup was played at the Millennium Stadium, rather than Twickenham which is geographically much closer to Wembley, what is the point that statement "However note that not all stadiums listed are eligible as UEFA" is meant to make, because it implies that the owners all stadia listed all want to be "eligible as UEFA"?

In my opinion it would be better to scrap the introduction and and "let the facts speak for themselves" by rename the column "Home team" it does not make sense for some stadia that do not have "home teams" eg Croke Park and change it to "Predominant usage" (or similar), and add two more columns "UFEA eligible" and "Notes". In the UEFA eligible column add the category 1,2,3,4 or — (for NA). In the Notes column list other important facts like occasional usage such as sports like rugby league, show jumping, boxing, or rock concerts or whatever.

Maybe another desirable column to add would be who owns the stadia (in most cases that will be the private club of the team that plays there), but it would help to highlight political involvement in what can be either a local or national prestige stadium/white elephant. -- PBS (talk) 23:05, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scrapping the introduction is not an option; see WP:LEAD It is self-evident that the term large refers to any stadium large enough to be on the list. The "home team" column has been renamed "tenant". Any column refering to UEFA is unnecessary; furthermore this is not a soccer-centric list. All notes columns in list of stadiums pages are WP:CRUFT-magnets. Whilst List of stadiums by capacity does have a column stating what sports are played there, I feel that such a high proportion of European venues are used for soccer that in this case the column is unnecessary. Listing every type of sporting or entertainment event that a stadium has ever held is unnessesary. Whilst the issue of who owns and funded a stadium is of interest in the US; like you say, almost all European football stadiums are owned by their club. Furthermore, most people looking at this article dont care who owns the stadium. I'ts not the sort of information one would expect to find. However you are right that the wording of the lead is sub-optimal, and I will change it. Willy turner (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

or a start Twickenham probibly would be suitible for uefa's criteria but the reason why they didn't play the FA cup final there because the RFU (rightly in my eyes) refused citing that Twickenham is a rugby ground and will only ever host rugby. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 11:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Circus Maximus[edit]

Surely if the Deutsches Stadion and the Stadium of Domitian are to be included then the Circus Maximus should also be im the former Stadiums section? And possibly the Colliseum also, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.79.38.74 (talk) 04:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Geographical scope of the page[edit]

As I have explained numerous times on this page and in edit summaries, when creating this list I took care to only include stadiums that were within the commonly accepted Borders of the continents. However as some of you are probably aware, Europe contains several transcontinental countries, and there are some countries which are completely outwith Europe geographically, but which are generally considered European for cultural and historical reasons, eg. Cyprus and Armenia. Although at the time I felt is was best to use a restrictive geographic definition of Europe, I now think the list should include all stadiums in countries which either have a part of their territory in Europe, or are in countries generally thought to be European. You may have noticed that over time people have added all the Turkish stadiums that are not actually in the European bit of Turkey. In hindsight this was possibly my fault for not specifying the geographic criteria in the lead. However I now think these editors where probably right; it doesnt make much sense to only have some Turkish stadiums in the list. Consequently in my last major edit I added all +25k stadiums that are in countries which either have a part of their territory in Europe, or are in countries generally thought to be European. (Note that under this criteria, the stadium itself doesnt have to be in geographic Europe; eg Astana is in the Asian section of Khazakhstan). Similarly I propose that all stadiums in Turkey, Khazakstan etc also be included in List of Asian stadiums by capacity, however I think it would be wrong to have European Russian, or any Russian stadiums in that page. Can I please get some feedback on whether you agree with my suggested new criteria. Willy turner (talk) 22:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think the defunct and proposed stadiums should be on this page[edit]

Fistly, the main list of current stadiums and the entire page is rather long, and will get longer when it is expanded to +20k or lower. Overly long pages are frowned upon under wiki guidlines. Secondly I dont think visitors would expect or demand the page to have information on demolished or proposed stadiums, in other word removing this information does not reduce the quality of the page. Thirdly and most importantly, we already have a List of closed stadiums by capacity and List of proposed stadiums which are in the See also section. Fourthly, the two aforementioned pages and List of stadiums under construction all need a great deal of work, and they all need many stadiums adding to them. This means that the unnessary sections on this article will inevitably get even longer if we keep them. Thus I feel the quaility of the painstakingly researched main list is being sullied by the lower quality other lists. In the spirit of compromise I am willing to keep the list of stadiums under construction, partly because I think many people would expect the page to contain this information, and partly because this list is less subjective than the other two. Any thoughts?Willy turner (talk) 22:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well that sounds OK, but I am a bit concerned about the whole 25,000 buissness. Was that even fully discussed and accepted? If so then should that rule be moved over to the smaller lists? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 11:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. What is the "25,000 business" and what rule are you referring to? Are you referring to the extension of the list from +30k to +25k? If so I don't see what's remotely controversial about it; I would have thought it was self-evidently a good thing and therefore didn't require any prior discussion or approval. As far as i'm concerned anyone is free to extend any list, so long as the cut-off point is a multiple of 5,000. (i.e. a list of stadiums larger than 16,854 or some other random figure would clearly be dumb). The only cases where a list shouldn't be extended is if it's already very long (eg List of stadiums by capacity, List of football (soccer) stadiums by capacity, List of sports venues by capacity etc). I certainly wouldn't have a problem with anyone extending any of the other continental lists, indeed I would applaud it, so long as it is done well. (By doing it well I primarily mean actually checking reliable sources such as those mentioned above to determine capacities, rather than blindly accepting what worldstadiums.com or another database says, or at least being as sure as you can be that a capacity is above the new limit). I noticed that you extended a few of the rugby lists, which is great. However in my opinion it wasn't necessary for you to ask anyones permission on the talk pages prior to extending them, although clearly you were just being conscientious. If you or anyone else wants to extend any of the other lists that would be great, and if you're in any doubt whether a particular list is too long then I could offer a second opinion. I would find it a fun challenge to try and find any stadiums that you had missed, and I promise if this did happen I would try to restrain my smugness. Willy turner (talk) 07:38, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I think maybe a lack of WP:BOLD caused me to bring this up! The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 07:46, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rank column[edit]

The ranking column has been removed. Having the rank column means that every time a capacity is changed the rankings for the entire following section of the table had to altered. This was obviously an incredibly tedious task, and consequently no-one was willing to do it. And remember that since almost all capacities are unreferenced, when references are added (hint hint) and capacities altered there will be a great many changes in the ranking. In other words, having the rank column meant that the ranking almost inevitably became innacurate at some point in the list. In a nutshell having the rank column caused far more problems than it was worth. If at some glorious point in the future every capacity is referenced to a reliable source, then by all means we can reintroduce the rank column. Willy turner (talk) 23:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

It is essential to reference every capacity. See WP:CITE. Many, or probably most of the stadium articles do not give a reference to a reliable source. Please, please can everyone reading this start adding capacity references from the stadiums or tenants official websites. If this official figure is different to the figure on the stadiums or tenants article then please remember to change and reference these pages too. I have been meaning to do this myself for years, and I apologise for only adding a few dozen so far. I am quite happy to add, say 100 references, however I strongly suspect that no-one else would follow suit. So if I see a handfull of other people adding, say 10 references each, I guarantee that I will add hundreds. I propose that all changes to capacities that do not include a reference to an official website should from now on be immediatley reverted. Agreed?

The first place to look for any capacity is the official website of the stadium, or any of the teams that play in it. If, and only if, there are no such websites, or if said websites don't mention the capacity, then one should look for either the website of a tournament that has recently been staged at the stadium, or look for a reputable english language media organisation or newspaper that mentions the capacity, (ie. a newspaper that is reputable enough to have a wikipedia article;- see Category:English language newspapers), or see if the website of the relevant sports league or governing association (eg the national Football Association) mentions the capacity, or check the website of a relevant local council. Only if all of these options have been tried should we descend to using one of the major stadium databases to reference a capacity, (bear in mind these are not reputable sources), ie worldstadiums.com or fussballtempel.net. etc (in my experience fussbaltempel is much more accurate, but possibly updated less frequently - someone should invite Gunther, the guy who runs fussballtempel, to give us a hand) However seeing as worldstadiums.com appears to be the most popular online stadium database, then I propose that if there are no reputable sources we use it, for the sake of consistency. However for European stadiums I am rather confident that in nearly all cases we should be able to find a reliable source. P.S. Obviously google translate is available for foreign language websites.Willy turner (talk) 23:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Plural[edit]

This article repeatedly uses Stadiums. The correct English plural of Stadium is Stadia. Stadiums is an incorrect usage, that has been erroneously adopted en masse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.235.73 (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The word is originally Greek, and the plural in that case would be "stadia". However, it's a loanword, and these tend to take plural forms according to the norms of the adopting language. So "stadia" is pedantic, whereas "stadiums" is now idiomatic. Rodhullandemu 22:45, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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What constitutes a stadium?[edit]

Would it be helpful to have a definition of what a 'Stadium' is?

The reasoning behind my question is that as a Formula One fan, I wanted to see how Stadiums at circuits compare to other sports - however in the list are no entries for permanent motor-racing venues. Many F1 circuits have grandstands and 'Stadium' sections that would qualify for this list, without taking into account general access (or standing) areas. Several websites list Silverstone, Hockenheim and Nurburgring as having total capacities (seating and standing) in excess of 100,000 - there may be others, I just looked for three examples to validate my point.

I fully accept that a Football grounds, Athletics Stadiums and the like are a different concept to a motor-racing circuit, but as the list stands there is no reason why other sporting venues are not currently included, other than that they appear to have been overlooked. I thought I would ask before making any changes.

Gumbidave (talk) 09:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The best place to look to see what constitutes a stadium is to look at the article on stadium. It's basically a venue used for the various codes of football, baseball, athletics, rugby, etc. The capacities of motor racing venues are covered at List of motor racing venues by capacity, where you will find them compared to other motor racing venues, as well as at List of sports venues by capacity, where it is compared against all other sports venues, including stadiums, horse racing venues, bullrings, etc. Thanks! Patken4 (talk) 11:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Capacity of El Molinón changed[edit]

Since 2010 El Molinón can hold 30000 people, I've just changed it. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.54.230.155 (talk) 07:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom[edit]

shouldn't the stadiums in the United Kingdom be marked a that and not based on each home nation as that is their country and also many sports that the stadiums feature are on a United Kingdom wide basis and not individual nation basis.C. 22468 Talk to me 11:58, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to agree with this. If subnational entities and flags are listed rather than the sovereign states should we then list Barcelona as being in Catalonia rather than Spain for consistency? Let's just stick to sovereign states. Consensus? Mnealon (talk) 16:31, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Scots and English have (1) separate football associations (2) separate football leagues (3) separate national teams. For the purposes of association football, I think that treating them as distinct entities is well justified. 92.25.31.118 (talk) 23:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Request to lock page[edit]

Due to a recent (ongoing?) edit war concerning the nationality of the city of Malmö, I request locking this page from anonymous users for the time being.
109.124.167.153 (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Estádio José Alvalade, Lisbon, Portugal[edit]

It was the venue of the 2005 UEFA Cup Final, won by CSKA Moscow vs Sporting Clube de Portugal (home team) by 3-1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.139.6.252 (talk) 20:23, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tenants v Venue[edit]

Most of the stadia do not list the notable venues but some do. I feel this needs to be consistent. I removed the ones from France before realizing there were quite a few listed with the same issue. If we want to list the notable events that each stadium held I feel we should have another column and have some kind of criteria for it to be included. --Trödel 22:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stade de France[edit]

The table says it is in Paris, but it's actually in the suburb of Saint-Denis. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 01:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria for stadium pictures[edit]

We should only display pictures of the biggest stadiums. SLBedit (talk) 17:55, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a top 10 sorted by capacity? SLBedit (talk) 00:00, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

#175[edit]

Hello... number 175 is missing and it's place there's a void #130. CapPixel (talk) 11:30, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Format of the table[edit]

  1. There is little point in making each of the tables sortable, given that the contents are already forcibly sorted by capacity.
  2. There is little point in the left-hand "No." column. It doesn't add anything, and it makes for a lot of work whenever the data change.---Ehrenkater (talk) 17:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dates of Stadium/Stadia[edit]

Are the dates listed the founding date for the stadium, or the construction of the current building. I would suggest the date of original occupation should be the answer as the other is a moving target and subject to massive debate on the nature of construction vs refurbishment

I give two examples from the top 3

  • in the top 3 Croke Park was first used in 1884 under another name, was rebuilt several times, and lastly renovated in stages over the course 10 years from 1995 to 2005
  • Wembley Stadium was first built in 1923, but was rebuilt in 2007

Atatürk Olympic Stadium?[edit]

Where is Atatürk Olympic stadium where Champions League Final 2023 will be played( 2005 was also played there)?? 2A01:598:C820:5155:3424:A2D7:67CD:8996 (talk) 11:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Respublik (talk) 23:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How long do we want this list to be?[edit]

Recently, User:77.169.189.99 has made some good-faith edits to this list article, adding a number of links to stadia with capacity < 25,000. This is the cutoff number that has been used for many years, and although arbitrary, it seems like a good fit here. However, with these new additions, the article comes in at an unwieldy 221,278 bytes of text - WP:BETTER#SIZE recommends no more than 50,000. The result is a list that is much too long and a less useful article. Discussion welcome - is this expanded size what's best for the article? 162 etc. (talk) 05:51, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've used several word counters to estimate the total number of words in the list. The results varied from almost 6,000 to just over 8,000, which is insufficient to warrant a split per WP:TOOBIG. Several advantages of keeping include reducing the impact of MOS:DATED, as stadiums may lose some seats over time or undergo minor reconfigurations and most standalone lists lack regular upkeep, some even include(d) demolished stadiums alongside newly on their foundations built ones. Maintaining a general skeleton of all the largest stadiums also is helpful with no stadium being accidentally omitted or deleted via a rogue edit that gets unnoticed and buried. Likely non-issue, but it would help to prevent issues that may arise from using concert configuration counts for stadiums with a twenty-something thousand capacity. And also, non-notability isn't an issue since any stadium with a seating capacity in the five-digit range qualifies for the maximum category criterion of the UEFA categories list. Respublik (talk) 18:44, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images sections[edit]

One of the requirements of a good list is not to use illegal pictures and given the Freedom of panorama situation around Europe it's important to be mindful that having an image section for every stadium on the list seems to lead to a copyrights issues when it's unnecessary. This is even before discussing an additional unnecessary data processing and slow down of loading up 200+ additional pictures just to see a list of the largest stadiums. A normal wiki article won't even have a gallery >30 images. @77.169.189.99. Respublik (talk) 17:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stadiums in Georgia[edit]

why Georgian stadiums are not included? for example Dinamo Arena? 185.70.52.62 (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See List of Asian stadiums by capacity. Respublik (talk) 16:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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