Talk:List of Neighbours characters (2018)

Invigilator

We don't use the word "invigilator" in Australia. According to my dictionaries, it's British usage.

At Proctor#Education, it says the word is used in Australia. If it were to be changed, would something like exam supervisor suffice? - JuneGloom07 Talk 22:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes.

Cassius' first appearance

Since I made the initial edits on 15 August [1], U-Mos has reverted, so now we're onto the discussion (WP:BRD).

Should Cassius be listed in the 2017 or 2018 list? He made an uncredited appearance in November 2017, before making his first credited appearance in May 2018. U-Mos argues that the 2017 cameo does not constitute a substantive appearance. The character's 2017 appearance is actually sourced within the section with this ref, so it is hardly WP:OR (as mentioned in U-Mos's summaries). I didn't just wake up one day and think 'I know what'll be fun, let's move Cassius around without any proof.' I also noted this source [2] and spoke with a fellow soaps editor first, before making any changes.

I assume (now this is WP:OR) that the character wasn't credited to keep the various mysteries surrounding his identity a secret. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be listed as his first appearance. He appeared, the actor was brought in to specifically film that scene (and some later "flashback" scenes). I think this should have come to the talk page first instead of being moved around again. Pinging other soap editors; @AnemoneProjectors, Raintheone, Soaper1234, and 5 albert square: for their input. Please invite anyone else you can think of to this discussion. I don't know if SatDis or Hatio93 are around at the moment, but they also commented on the Andrea/Dee discussion. – JuneGloom07 Talk 14:19, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Cassius should be listed as first appearing in 2017, and therefore in the 2017 list. It doesn't matter how minor or uncredited the first appearance is, if it's the same character (which it is as proven by the reliable sources provided), a first appearance is a first appearance. Look at Fi Browning from EastEnders - when we found out she was actually Sophie Willmott-Brown, she had to be moved to a much earlier year, even though I struggle to think of her as being introduced before 2017. — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 15:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I'd agree with JuneGloom07 and AnemoneProjectors. Cassius made his first appearance in 2017. Granted we didn't know it was him then, but it was him and this has since been confirmed. So he should be in 2017 list. Soaper1234 - talk 19:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for beginning the discussion, JuneGloom07. In this case, there's two levels why I think Cassius' first appearance should be listed as 2018. Firstly, that he was an extra in 2017. The lack of credit isn't my objection, it is that he appeared as background only. So no, it isn't a substantive appearance. The question is whether we list it regardless. To my mind, there's simply no reason to: mentioning the background appearance in the section prose is sufficient, and actually takes much less explaining than having all the sources dated six months after his "first appearance". There's no need to complicate matters on the basis of a background appearance.

Secondly, and this is where WP:OR comes in: it isn't confirmed that this appearance was Cassius. I get that might seem obtuse, but look at what we actually know. Sorry to JuneGloom, but whatever the result of this discussion you were premature in making the move on August 15: at this point Cassius' role in the November events hadn't been fully revealed on-screen, and the article you sourced proved nothing other than some fans on the Internet were speculating about it. Since then, as you say, we've learned more, and this source (that I used in place of the other in my edit) tells us that Davidson filmed his background appearance alongside the flashback shown in the August 22 episode, and all but directly states that this was a deliberate hint for the Hamish murder mystery. But this is fiction. Davidson appeared as an 'Easter egg' clue for fans, but the presence of Cassius at the masque party has never been addressed on-screen, and a role as background six months before re-appearing in a regular role is simply not enough to definitively state 'Cassius appeared on 6 November'.

So for these reasons, I think it's beholden on us to err on the side of what we're sure about and list Cassius as first appearing when he began as a known, non-background character - and leave anything more complicated to the section prose where it can be properly explained. U-Mos (talk) 09:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

It has been confirmed that it was Cassius at the Lassiter's ball. There is a reliable source to back it up. There were flashbacks that address scenes that Cassius actually did appear in such as Piper being rescued after she was on the boat. Davison said he filmed scenes in 2017, one of which was aired in 2017. This character should be in the 2017 list.Rain the 1 14:23, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Brief addendums: if we choose to list the first appearance as 6 November, the source I linked above must be used in the infobox; if we take it as such (which I think is debatable, per above), it is the only confirmation that Cassius as a character appeared on that date so must be cited fully. I also think it would be beneficial to still mention Cassius' full introduction in the lede of List of Neighbours characters (2018), to redirect users who may look for him there, and clarify the lede mention in the 2017 page also. U-Mos (talk) 23:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I feel that Cassius should be in the 2017 list. You may argue that his 'physical appearance' was in 2018, but this is untrue, he was actually shown in 2017 even though it was only part of his body, the flashback in 2018 simply just identified him. I also noticed Gabe was shown in the flashback. His last appearance should reflect that if it has not been done already. — Hatio93 ^Talk 09:57, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Worth stressing again that the flashbacks did not identify Cassius as having appeared during the masquerade party in 2017 (which is where Joe Davidson can be glimpsed), but only as the previously unseen figures in the back garden/rescuing Piper and Gabe later on. U-Mos (talk) 02:19, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Rodwells

Hi, everyone. I could have started this on List of Neighbours characters, but oh well. What are we going to do about Andrew Rodwell, Wendy Rodwell and Sadie Rodwell? They are all being added/have been added to the opening titles, meaning they are regular characters, but have little to no development whatsoever (I am still getting over the fact they brought in a new actor to play a three years old character, rather than just creating a new one), so it is kind of hard to give them their own section, but would be odd to have three adult regulars in the others box. @U-Mos, JuneGloom07, and Raintheone: (and anyone else) please let me know what you think we should do. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

IMO: Yes, give them their own sections. There is some material around Herbison teasing the "new family" arriving, and further (at the time) reliable source speculation that it would be the Rodwells (from Digital Spy I believe), so they wouldn't be entirely devoid of external references. U-Mos (talk) 22:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Leave them where they are for now, as there is nowhere near enough info for their own sections. Speculative articles on their potential arrival doesn't really equal notability. There might be a few articles/interviews with the actors after their promotion to the main cast airs in Australia though. Unfortunately they got that promotion just a tad too late and I expect they won't get all that much to do as the show nears the end. Writers will likely want to focus on the more established characters and returnees. Personally, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world if they never get out of the Others table. It would be understandable at least. - JuneGloom07 Talk 22:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree, although it may seem odd if characters like Sian Caton have their own section, but Sadie doesn't, haha. But it definitely comes down to how much development information characters have and for the Rodwells – that isn't much. Hopefully there will be interviews with the actors and we can move them to their own sections on a later date. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

They will most probably get out of the others table. Revisit in a month or two.Rain the 1 22:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)