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Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
[edit]A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 12:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Miror B
[edit]He deserves a page, or at least a photo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgeabletome (talk • contribs) 04:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
List overhaul
[edit]I think that this needs to be completely redone. It should be named List of Pokémon video game characters. Most of this is repeated info from Pokémon Adventures protagonists, List of characters in the Pokémon anime series, Pokémon crime syndicates, and the List of **** Gym Leaders. What isnt in other lists should be Video Game characters. It can have the main characters, professors, NPCs, Gym Leaders(Links to the main lists), Elite Four, and tag battle partners. --Blake (talk) 21:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- I just cleaned up the list here in my userspace and moved the E4, since they take up so much room, to annother page that can be named List of Elite Four members. They are just rough drafts and can be fixed up more. Is this something we want to try though? I can try and find references from guides if we want to do this and I can make the E4 page like the List of **** Gym Leaders and add references from the anime, manga, and maybe even game guidebooks if I get enough time.
- Don’t say they aren’t notable or they don’t deserve a page or something though, because right now they are sitting there and look really ugly. This is a BIG help. --Blake (talk) 00:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure... they seems like indiscriminate lists that lack any verifiable, third-party sources. Perhaps a more appropriate venue is AfD? Artichoker[talk] 20:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- What? It diddnt need to be deleted before, but now that I touched it it needs to be deleted? -.- This is getting annoying. Can you link me to the guidelines for lists? Why do they need 3rd party sources? They should only need those if it is going to be a real article. Lists don't need that stuff, otherwise they would be articles. --Blake (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean by not being deleted before, but if no verifiable, third-party sources to establish notability can be found, then I don't think it needs to be around. Anyways, here's the guideline for lists: Wikipedia:Lists. Per "Lists, whether they are embedded lists or stand-alone lists, are encyclopedic content as are paragraphs and articles, and they are equally subject to Wikipedia's content policies such as Verifiability, No original research, Neutral point of view, and others." lists do indeed need 3rd party sources. Artichoker[talk] 21:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- I mean that the list is there right now. It looks very bad and repeats alot of information. The only information that isnt repeated somewhere else is the Video Game characters. I think this is a big help to the article to change it like this. Also, if you want the Elite Four can stay where they are in the article. It just needs some official game guide references for some of the characters. --Blake (talk) 22:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean by not being deleted before, but if no verifiable, third-party sources to establish notability can be found, then I don't think it needs to be around. Anyways, here's the guideline for lists: Wikipedia:Lists. Per "Lists, whether they are embedded lists or stand-alone lists, are encyclopedic content as are paragraphs and articles, and they are equally subject to Wikipedia's content policies such as Verifiability, No original research, Neutral point of view, and others." lists do indeed need 3rd party sources. Artichoker[talk] 21:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- What? It diddnt need to be deleted before, but now that I touched it it needs to be deleted? -.- This is getting annoying. Can you link me to the guidelines for lists? Why do they need 3rd party sources? They should only need those if it is going to be a real article. Lists don't need that stuff, otherwise they would be articles. --Blake (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure... they seems like indiscriminate lists that lack any verifiable, third-party sources. Perhaps a more appropriate venue is AfD? Artichoker[talk] 20:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
New Page 4 the Elite 4
[edit]The Elite Four Members are all notable enough to have their own page. All the other randoms can stay on this page, but there should be a page just for Elite Four Members. It would make this page less bulky and would give these important game characters the fame they deserve. 2D Backfire Master (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- As you can see from the above discussion, I did make a page for the E4, but I ended up just merging it here after fixing it up. Without them there really arent many characters unique to this list. If you find some good sources about them that let them warent an article, then go ahead. The list would look alot better without it, but without the E4 on this list, it wont have many characters here that make the list need an article. Blake (Talk·Edits) 22:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Elite Four
[edit]Shouldn't the Elite Four for each region be split into a separate article like we've done for the Gym Leaders? --70.129.186.69 (talk) 02:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- If they would be split anywhere it would be into one article. They dont appear as much as the Gym leaders do. They really don't have anymore sources then the Gym Leaders do though. As you can see from the above discussions, I tried to fix this article but it never went anywhere. Blake (Talk·Edits) 02:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
including, but not limited to
[edit]"Including, but not limited to" is lawyer-speak and is unnecessary since "including" implies additional items already. --Unimath (talk) 16:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Rowan's assistant isn't a true rival
[edit]You never fight or even compete with him or her, so calling Lucas and Dawn rivals doesn't make much sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.87.156.246 (talk) 11:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- They are what is called psudo-rivals. They don't really antagonize you, but you still rival with them. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:49, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
localized is localized. Original is Original. Educate common sense.
[edit]The conceited fan does not know that English version is localized version. 61.214.5.118 (talk) 07:49, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
- We do not need to use the word "localized" on this article to refer to the English version. It can just be called the "English version". The word "original" has been retained for the Japanese version, however.—Ryulong (竜龙) 09:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Sinnoh Rival is named "Barry"?
[edit]Correct me if I'm wrong but the rival for Sinnoh region had no default name. Its random and not just "Barry" appeared on the selection. Just because the anime says that his name is 'Barry' then why should we name him Barry here? Barry is his name in the anime but not in-game. Bleubeatle (talk) 07:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
- Never mind I read it again. But why put "Barry" there when he really doesn't have a default name? Is it right to put his anime name instead? Bleubeatle (talk) 07:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
- What name should be put instead? Are you saying we should call him "that one dude"? If a name should be picked, Barry isn't a bad choice. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:43, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Re-mentioning names on different sections
[edit]I find it repetitive to mention characters like Cheren and Wallace in more than 2 sections. Why can't we just state other information about them becoming Gym Leaders or Champions in their own section? Only put those characters that are new to the game's series. Like for Black & White 2's gym leaders, was it really necessary to mention Elesa under there as well? We were only talking about the Gym leaders of the Unova region. I reckon we should only put Roxie/Homika and Shuizu because they are the only new characters that are introduced into the region of Unova for Pokemon Black & White 2. Bleubeatle (talk) 06:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
- Well, if we do that it will look like we have missing information. Is it that bad to have a line that says "X is a gym leader in this game, too" when discussing the characters from that subsequent game?—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:06, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
- No I don't think its bad. But because we already mentioned "X" character in another section it will look like we are talking about another character of the same name. It will end up looking like we are talking about 2 different characters instead of 1. Besides this page is about the list of characters in the Pokémon world. Not the list of who's the gym leaders, champions, etc. in each game. Bleubeatle (talk) 01:45, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
- Not if it's blatantly clear that we are referring to the same character as elsewhere on the page.—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
- No I don't think its bad. But because we already mentioned "X" character in another section it will look like we are talking about another character of the same name. It will end up looking like we are talking about 2 different characters instead of 1. Besides this page is about the list of characters in the Pokémon world. Not the list of who's the gym leaders, champions, etc. in each game. Bleubeatle (talk) 01:45, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Pokémon crime syndicates
[edit]This article is mostly redundant to the list. There seem to be some missing that should be merged over, while much of the info is overly bloated and unnecessary to keep. TTN (talk) 16:39, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see why not.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:45, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
- Disagree: This is article is not about individual characters but about organisations. Retartist (talk) 10:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- This article could contain the main characters of said organizations perfectly easily instead of the massive list that the syndicate page currently contains.—Ryulong (琉竜) 11:04, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- Disagree: This is article is not about individual characters but about organisations. Retartist (talk) 10:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Images
[edit]I have restore a few images after they were verified to have fair use rationales. I would like to open a discussion to see if any regular editors of this page agree, though. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 22:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
- None of the images that you added to this article can be put on this article for several reasons, mostly because of the non-free content criteria policy, which is much stricter than the US fair use doctrine:
- None of them have non-free use rationales for this particular page (NFCC 10c)
- You have added way too many of them (NFCC 3a)
- They add nothing of educational importance to this particular article (NFCC 8)
- The images you have added are simply decorative on this page, and because they depict characters as they are found in the TV series rather than a general description of the characters in the video games. An image of Ash has no purpose here, nor does one of the Diamond and Pearl main characters. Please do not add the images back here. Also, the use of the Team Rocket image at the list of anime characters page is also superfluous. There is no reason to pick just the Team Rocket image.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:13, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Elio and Selene
[edit]I think it is now clear that the Sun and Moon player characters ARE INDEED officially named as Elio and Selene. Look at this on the Pokémon Center website: https://www.pokemoncenter.com/figma-selene-figure-%28preorder-ends-november-29%29-703-03094
characters from Masters
[edit]should anyone add the characters who appear in Masters (so far we have Paulo, Bellis, Team Break and the nurse trio)? I don't see any info regarding Lear, Rachel and Sawyer... On an unrated note, is it possible to list characters' voice actors from Masters? It seems to be the first official speaking appearance for all who appear in it... Visokor (talk) 09:50, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
To the user who keeps claiming Kris and Lyra are the same character and who keeps reverting Ethan to "Gold".
[edit]1. HGSS art director Takao Unno (who designed Lyra) has said himself she was designed from scratch.
2. Kris and Lyra appear as completely separate characters in Pokemon Masters. If you want to act like you have more authority than the Pokemon Company, go nuts but your personal headcanons will not be taken as fact here.
3. "Gold" was never the canon name of the GSC protagonist.
4. The Pokemon Masters twitter page clearly said "Ethan from Pokemon Gold and Silver", not Gold.
5. If "Gold" appears as a separate character in Pokemon Masters, you will have a point. Until then do not revert again or we will take this further.
6. Lastly stop writing irrelevant waffle about anime counterparts. Ethan being called "Jimmy" and then appearing later as Ethan is not evidence of "Gold" and "Ethan" being separate. Jimmy was simply what they called him as he had no canon name yet and they weren't gonna call him Gold for the same reason they didn't call Ash "Red".— Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenbfg (talk • contribs) 22:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
can somebody add officer jenny to 'trainer classes'?
[edit]i saw that nurse joy and the clerks from pmex were there but not jenny :(
22:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)2601:640:C400:68A:48EC:EA6C:FBF3:5473 (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Some work I just did
[edit]Hey guys, I'm not usually a Pokemon guy, but I just through a bunch of anchors in this page from broken redirects and editing a couple of the redirect pages as well. (There were over 100 so I tried to do some anchors instead of editing every one of the redirects). Again, not a pokemon hu, but I found the following list of articles that don't seem to be mentioned here. I through the {{R to article without mention}} on those pages. Feel free to change what I did, but I wanted to draw your guys' attention to these.
- Orange Islands related
- Other
Thanks for yall's great work on wikipedia! Signed, I Am Chaos (talk) 04:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Missing Paldea Elite Four(and more)
[edit]Rika is the Ground type member, Poppy is the steel type member, Larry is the Flying type member, and Hassel is the Dragon type member. The Top Champion is Geeta. I have played the game so I know this, so they need to get added in to the Pokémon League section. And for the other characters section, Arven and Penny are important characters in Scarlet and Violet and they need to get added in.Hackecas001 (talk) 05:06, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Splitting article
[edit]Hi, I think that this article could really go for a restructure and split. In my opinion, it would be best if we did a list of characters by their respective generation or, if that is too complicated, by game. Thoughts? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 07:46, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I would have agreed if the article was not mostly plotcruft. There's nothing to split without the ensuing article being unencyclopedic, so it can't really be split off.
- Likely the best option is instead to trim the minor characters from the list. For each game, only the main characters, rival, professor(?) and primary villain should be listed. Individual gym leaders, side characters, and enemy team members don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. With that done, I doubt the list would be overly large even when including every major Pokemon game to date. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:33, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think that'd be fine as a loose guideline, but I also think that some character exceptions are required. For example, Larry has multiple articles about him specifically. I think, at the very least, we should either structure this article by generation or game. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 08:47, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, if a character has a full article about them, they should be included regardless of their prominence. I would otherwise sort it by generation of game, because the current organization scheme makes no sense to typical readers trying to put it in context. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree. Whether any gens are split or not, this will be the most ideal setup. I'm going to boldly restructure the article. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think if people like Larry are included we should include other gym leaders for consistency, however, like noted, much less detail is needed. (Also possibly merge this with the list of anime characters in order to consolidate the information and not have a lot of duplicate info between a character's arc in the anime and in the games. DecafPotato (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree. Most gym leaders aren't really that notable on their own other than for being a gym leader. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but it would just bug me if Larry got a spot on the list (as he should), but the other gym leaders didn't get at least a mention, lol. DecafPotato (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- It bugging you is completely irrelevant in this case. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:19, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- i know :( DecafPotato (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- On this topic, though, I think we should have a more rigid inclusion criteria than just "major character". Like, what defines "major" in this case? DecafPotato (talk) 20:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Reliable sources mentioning them or being the player character of their respective games. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Would a merge with List of Pokémon anime characters be good? I think because the anime is more story-based, there's more actual discussion of characters in it to be useful for an encyclopedic list, and like 90% of the anime characters are also in the games (articles dedicated to Pokémon characters – like Brock – discuss them in all media together as well). DecafPotato (talk) 20:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe. I'm honestly not sure. If a merge were to happen what would happen to the characters that only exist in the anime such as Jesse and James (they were only introduced to the games with Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu which I see as more of an anime tie-in similar to Yellow) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:46, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Probably just explain them as a part of Team Rocket/a Gen I character. Also LGPE are mainline games so we would probably need them on this list if the lists aren't merged. DecafPotato (talk) 22:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Actually that article might be better off nuked. I just had to remove what was basically an essay as to why Meowth was a good companion to Jesse and James and scrolling through, it just gets worse and worse. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe. I'm honestly not sure. If a merge were to happen what would happen to the characters that only exist in the anime such as Jesse and James (they were only introduced to the games with Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu which I see as more of an anime tie-in similar to Yellow) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:46, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Would a merge with List of Pokémon anime characters be good? I think because the anime is more story-based, there's more actual discussion of characters in it to be useful for an encyclopedic list, and like 90% of the anime characters are also in the games (articles dedicated to Pokémon characters – like Brock – discuss them in all media together as well). DecafPotato (talk) 20:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Reliable sources mentioning them or being the player character of their respective games. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- On this topic, though, I think we should have a more rigid inclusion criteria than just "major character". Like, what defines "major" in this case? DecafPotato (talk) 20:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- i know :( DecafPotato (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- It bugging you is completely irrelevant in this case. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:19, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but it would just bug me if Larry got a spot on the list (as he should), but the other gym leaders didn't get at least a mention, lol. DecafPotato (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree. Most gym leaders aren't really that notable on their own other than for being a gym leader. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think if people like Larry are included we should include other gym leaders for consistency, however, like noted, much less detail is needed. (Also possibly merge this with the list of anime characters in order to consolidate the information and not have a lot of duplicate info between a character's arc in the anime and in the games. DecafPotato (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree. Whether any gens are split or not, this will be the most ideal setup. I'm going to boldly restructure the article. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, if a character has a full article about them, they should be included regardless of their prominence. I would otherwise sort it by generation of game, because the current organization scheme makes no sense to typical readers trying to put it in context. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think that'd be fine as a loose guideline, but I also think that some character exceptions are required. For example, Larry has multiple articles about him specifically. I think, at the very least, we should either structure this article by generation or game. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 08:47, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
The issue with a single list covering an entire 20+ year old series is that there's no way to cover everyone in any meaningful detail without ballooning the page to millions of KB. Rather than split into individual game lists, I think this list should cover recurring (notable) characters only and single game characters should belong in a Characters section of that respective game. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:09, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- This list as it looks right now actually looks pretty decent. I would cut out all the entries on characters who have not been covered by reliable sources, and at that point the length will certainly no longer be a concern. I wouldn't merge this with the anime list; I think it's helpful to keep the two separate like this. We could interpret any overlapping characters still completely separate interpretations of them. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- I still don't see the upside of sequestering game-specific characters away from the plot sections of their respective articles. Pokémon Scarlet and Violet#Plot is not overly long and could benefit from an overview of major characters before diving into the story. I actually think that's true regardless of the length of this page. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Ultimately I'm just happy I could help get this article on the right track. :) - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Honestly, I think I'd be down to restructure the article to be only recurring characters. I'll be bold again and trim it down to only characters who appear in at least two games (obviously not, like, "appears in Red and Blue" or "Red and FireRed"). - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Okay how's this structure looking - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- The structure for the first few gens is looking much better. However, the alternate protagonists used in the games don't seem necessary or useful. Perhaps they could be folded into Red's section like so: In addition to Red, Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen feature an alternate female protagonist, Leaf (リーフ, Leaf). Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! name their male and female protagonists Chase (カケル, Kakeru) and Elaine (アユミ, Ayumi) instead. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree with the Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee one since those are separate from gen 1 despite being based in Kanto. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! are 2018 remakes of the 1998 Game Boy role-playing video game Pokémon Yellow. (According to the article's lead sentence.) For all intents and purposes, they are not considered separate - I'm sure they are different enough, but non-fans will not notice or care, and Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia. They should likely be lumped in with Gen 1 protagonist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah I don't have any special attachment to the LGPE characters, I just made a point of having a generous paring down of characters to reduce the likelihood of objection. I actually thought to remove them, but I didn't want to remove Leaf, and it would definitely be a POV thing to decide that Leaf is warranting her own entry but not the LGPE protags. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:36, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- I understand your point, however at the same time they're also a part of Gen 8 since they were made before Sw/Sh. Maybe we could add a note stating that while LGPE are technically a part of gen 8, they are included with Gen 1 as they are remakes of that game. I guess you could say the same thing about FR/LG with Leaf since those are technically part of Gen 3, however I think most people still include her with Gen 1. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- I think Let's Go might be the only direct remakes that introduced new Pokémon, which is why they're listed as Gen 7 on the List of Pokémon? (though technically they were introduced in Pokémon Go I guess). Regardless, they are very direct remakes featuring the map and characters of the original games (Oak, all of the Gym leaders, Elite Four, Bill, minor characters not listed). Moreover, the Pokémon Company itself would likely group it with the other Kanto-based games (as they don't use the "Generation" language). We could refactor this article as "characters who come from Kanto"; ".. from Johto", etc. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! are 2018 remakes of the 1998 Game Boy role-playing video game Pokémon Yellow. (According to the article's lead sentence.) For all intents and purposes, they are not considered separate - I'm sure they are different enough, but non-fans will not notice or care, and Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia. They should likely be lumped in with Gen 1 protagonist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree with the Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee one since those are separate from gen 1 despite being based in Kanto. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
- The structure for the first few gens is looking much better. However, the alternate protagonists used in the games don't seem necessary or useful. Perhaps they could be folded into Red's section like so: In addition to Red, Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen feature an alternate female protagonist, Leaf (リーフ, Leaf). Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! name their male and female protagonists Chase (カケル, Kakeru) and Elaine (アユミ, Ayumi) instead. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
The aces of various characters
[edit]I don't think the ace pokemon of some of these characters is important. The average person looking at this list woudl probably have no clue what an "ace" pokemon even is. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:19, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I've been a Pokemon fan for a while and never heard the term. It feels like an extremely recent thing that was WP:OR extended backwards in the series, whereas previously all a gym leader's Pokemon were on relatively equal footing besides maybe a few instances. That said, it's likely most gym leaders should be removed anyway so it doesn't make a tremendous difference. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Fair. I don't think it's necessarily an OR thing extended backwards but rather just a term that's been used more recently. I've heard the term before and, while I'm not exactly sure what it means (i'm sure Bulbapedia has the answer), I think it's supposed to mean it's either their strongest pokemon or the pokemon they are most well known for (for example Leon and his Charizard or Cynthia and her
monsterGarchomp) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)- I only heard it very recently, it basically means their strongest mon IIRC. That kind of cruft should definitely go. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Definitely, maybe if the characters have a unique theme other than being based around one type (for example Penny using a full team of Eeveelutions) or one of their mons is specifically known for one thing (For example Cynthia's Garchomp being notoriously difficult in both D&P and BDSP) however the first option may sitll not be that important unless reliable sources make note of it, and the second option is only if a lot of reliable sources make note of it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:17, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with everyone above. It's cruft. Sergecross73 msg me 16:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I might look to see if there are reliable sources that mention some of the character's pokemon outside of "This character's ace pokemon is X" cause i Wouldn't be surprised if some of these characters' pokemon are notable in relation to them outside of simply being one of their pokemon. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Like, Ash's Pikachu is significant to his character and should be included in something like this. Kabu's Centiskorch is the definition of cruft, lol. DecafPotato (talk) 20:14, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- There are definitely exceptions, like Ash's Pikachu or Cynthia's Garchomp, but the majority of signature Pokemon are just WP:INDISCRIMINATE fan material ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:30, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- Agree. DecafPotato (talk) 16:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- There are definitely exceptions, like Ash's Pikachu or Cynthia's Garchomp, but the majority of signature Pokemon are just WP:INDISCRIMINATE fan material ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:30, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- Like, Ash's Pikachu is significant to his character and should be included in something like this. Kabu's Centiskorch is the definition of cruft, lol. DecafPotato (talk) 20:14, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I might look to see if there are reliable sources that mention some of the character's pokemon outside of "This character's ace pokemon is X" cause i Wouldn't be surprised if some of these characters' pokemon are notable in relation to them outside of simply being one of their pokemon. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- I only heard it very recently, it basically means their strongest mon IIRC. That kind of cruft should definitely go. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Fair. I don't think it's necessarily an OR thing extended backwards but rather just a term that's been used more recently. I've heard the term before and, while I'm not exactly sure what it means (i'm sure Bulbapedia has the answer), I think it's supposed to mean it's either their strongest pokemon or the pokemon they are most well known for (for example Leon and his Charizard or Cynthia and her
Gym leaders
[edit]In this edit I removed the listing of most Gym leaders. Feel free to reinstate some stuff from this if you feel it appropriate. Though honestly, it would be nice if new information is only added to this article when there are sources for it. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Japanese
[edit]There seems to be some inconsistencies with how Japanese is used in this article. Some use {{nihongo4}} with 3 parameters (mainly the protags and the Professors). Some use the template with just 2 parameters with the Romaji as the 2nd. Some use the template with the 2 parameters and the direct translation of the name as the 2nd, and some don't even use the template at all and instead place the Katakana directly in parentheses. I feel we should determine which format we should be using and then use that throughout the entire article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Also, some don't even have the Japanese name. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'd suggest matching a featured list like this. That format looks nice. This list isn't entirely consistent either in its usage (see Minor characters), but I'm not entirely sure what the logic is. It's clear that the most recent sections of our list are somewhat incomplete here. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- I might be able to use Bulbapedia to get some of the Japanese names (yes I could just play the games in Japanese which I'm planning on doing anyway, but Bulbapedia tends to be good with that kinda stuff) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 12:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'll start by adding the ー after every vowel/character with a macron in Romaji ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 12:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ok something weird is going on here. It looks like wherever there should be a chōonpu it uses the Katakana for u (ウ) and I don't know why. I'll be checking all of the names that have the Katakana u to see if it makes sense where it's placed. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'd suggest matching a featured list like this. That format looks nice. This list isn't entirely consistent either in its usage (see Minor characters), but I'm not entirely sure what the logic is. It's clear that the most recent sections of our list are somewhat incomplete here. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Link to Professor Oak
[edit]Hyperlinks to Professor Oak do not land on him. This needs to be corrected. Should Professor Oak have his own wiki page? He seems to be a recurring and primary and iconic character of Pokémon. Dakolson (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- I fixed the Professor Oak redirect. After restructuring, there's probably a bunch of redirects that no longer work, so we might have some work there. Either way, don't worry about a separate article for Professor Oak while the section on him here still doesn't even have any citations! ^_^; ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Riko article?
[edit]Since Riko's the new protagonist of Pokemon should we give her an article? HiGuys69420 (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Liko's article needs sources to justify its existence: in-universe importance is not an article make. (Otherwise, most if not all of Ash's traveling companions would have articles.)
- If sources exist out there that describe Liko in some depth (Such as reviews or critiques of the recent anime series discussing her character and the reception to her) then yes, an article would be justified if there was enough. But as it stands, I don't think she needs an article just yet. (Though I do feel that there's a good chance we'll get some sources focused on explicitly her as the series progresses, that time hasn't come yet, at least not to my knowledge) Pokelego999 (talk) 04:44, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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