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The Table[edit]

I hate that this has been turned into a table with multiple columns and stats and whatnot. It makes it so difficult to keep it all up to date. --JonBroxton (talk) 17:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is just a case of differing goals. Your goal with much of the MLS content is to keep it simple and always up-to-date which you continue to do nobly in many, many articles including those related to Sounders FC. One of the goals of the task force is to raise the quality level of the content related to the club. That means our long term goal for this list is for it to one day become a featured list. Looking at the other examples of club player lists that are good or featured (List of Birmingham City F.C. players, List of Aston Villa F.C. players, and List of Manchester United F.C. players for example) one can easily conclude that these changes to a tabular format are indeed necessary. However, this by no means should result in us being at odds with each other. Our common goal is to keep overall article quality high. Given the much more consistant attention Sounders FC articles will recieve from the task force, you shouldn't have to work nearly as hard to keep this list up to date as you do with the same list for Chivas USA for example. Thank you Jon for your continued help in such a wide variety of articles, however in this very narrow set of articles related to Sounders FC, there are a number of editors who want to take them to the highest level possible on Wikipedia. Your comments, concerns, and (more importantly) contributions are appreciated. --SkotyWA^T|_C 18:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words. I agree, I do have a much broader interest in terms of American soccer (pretty much every team in all the leagues and every pro player article has been updated by me at some point or another), and so my focus really tends to be on consistency of layout/style/content across the articles, accuracy of data, and keeping things current. The Seattle articles are coming along REALLY nicely, though, and you should be commended for all the work there. Maybe I just leave the Sounders stuff to you guys, and I work on the 100 other teams ;) --JonBroxton (talk) 19:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, but please don't stop watching these articles and contributing when you feel like it. As I said, your comments, concerns, contributions, (and I'll add) insight are appreciated, welcome, and needed. --SkotyWA^T|_C 19:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two more players[edit]

It occured to me that there are two other players who have taken the field in a Sounders FC uniform that are not in the list: Michael Fucito and Lamar Neagle. They both came on as substitues in friendlies against Chelsea FC and FC Barcelona. Here is a source that mentions that: [1]. I'm not sure if that means they should be included in the list or not. They never appeared for a competitive match, but they did appear in the two exhibitions. --SkotyWA^T|_C 04:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Narrower[edit]

I changed "Democratic republic of the congo" to "DR Congo" (anyone who cares can still see it in the table below). As a result there's scope to add individual images of players, if people feel this would be an improvement. WFCforLife (talk) 06:26, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why a table?[edit]

We are the only Major League Soccer team with a table. Why not make a list of players in alphabetical order ? It will be easier to edit. Do you see yourself in 5 years doing stats for yellow cards and matches started ?? Antoinefcb (talk) 23:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

None of the other lists for MLS teams are featured lists either. This list is of much higher quality (currently) of the others. You can compare this with other featured lists for other soccer teams if you like. You can find a list of them on WP:FOOTY (towards the bottom). Consider this an opportunity to familiarize yourself with tables and how to edit them. :)

Answering your specific question, I'm not sure if the stat for yellow cards will stay, but the stat for matches started (or at least appearances) is likely here for good. --SkotyWA^T_C 01:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Skoty about the benefit of this being more than a string of names. This is intended as a one-stop shop to find out everything you need to know about Sounders players past and present. I understand where you're coming from on yellow cards, but reds are definitely worthy of inclusion, and it seems strange to have one but not the other. As for the comment about 5 years time, it won't be any bigger a task then. However long Sounders' history is, you only have a squad of 20 or so players at any one time.

Once the rosters are finalised, it might be worth adding a color-coded key for players who are still here. It would both be of more use to the reader, as well as making it easier to edit (using Ctrl + F to skip players that don't have the color).

Also, with the benefit of hindsight I'm not quite sure why I didn't include the MLS playoffs. This is one of the only American soccer FLs, but in other American sports such as hockey and NFL they include playoff stats. Would there be any objection to doing this? WFCforLife (talk) 18:17, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I say we just take off the chart. I have already made. Check it out at my Sandbox. Don't delete anything ! :) Antoinefcb (talk) 23:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Getting this to FL meant putting it inline with the best of the best lists on Wikipedia. Just like the attendance, other teams are playing catch up. We'll see (fingers crossed for no strike) in the near future if yellows and reds are maintainable. Playoffs would be good. Cptnono (talk) 00:00, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We should take off the yellow cards and red cards and add playoffs. I like the chart for the countries though. Antoinefcb (talk) 23:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd hold off on removing the red & yellow cards until we have a better idea how maintainable those are. In general, I like the table format, and tables are the standard for featured lists of players. I think adding a color for current players is also a great idea though. ← George^talk 05:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I forgot to sign Antoinefcb (talk) 20:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is it alright if I delete the yellow and red cards? Antoinefcb (talk) 20:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reluctant to see the reds go. Costing your team 10% of its manpower for a whole game, and making yourself unavailable for one or two extra games, strikes me as more significant than being the person who touched the ball before the goalscorer. They're equally easy/difficult to maintain. There's more of a case for yellows but I don't see the point. When you're updating, you have to do all of the other statistics. It's literally a one character difference, and for yellows you're looking at exactly the same line on exactly the same reference as for appearances/goals/assists. WFCforLife (talk) 21:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please not have a table. I will be fine with only having appearances, goals, and assists. Do you see your self doing this for the whole season? Antoinefcb (talk) 16:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What you're asking for is to reduce the quality of a featured list. Nobody's going to agree to that. As I said above, it's not necessary that this be 100% up to date after every single match. It will get updated. If you update it great. If not, someone else will do it. Don't feel like you alone have to carry the burden of keeping this 100% up to date all the time. --SkotyWA^T_C 16:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Le Toux[edit]

How sould we say he left. Should I put 2009-2009 or 2009-2010. As of right now, it is 2009-2009. He left Seattle on November 27 of 2009.

Le Toux Antoinefcb (talk) 23:47, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone?[edit]

Does anyone want to update the table ?? Antoinefcb (talk) 13:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry guys, I will do it by player. Antoinefcb (talk) 21:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will do the RSL game. Antoinefcb (talk) 19:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the effort keeping this up to date. It's not absolutely necessary that it be updated after every match. That's why there is a "Last Updated" note. If you want to update it often, go for it. Otherwise, someone will probably update it about once a month during the season I expect. --SkotyWA^T_C 01:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ljungberg[edit]

I'm a bit busy for football tonight, but can someone shed some light on why we weren't informed about a deletion discussion on an image involving this article? I thought that was standard practise? WFCforLife (talk) 23:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I made a mention at commons on the talk page of the removing editor.Cptnono (talk) 00:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The deleter said that the source was someone uploading this copyrighted work to Flickr.Cptnono (talk) 01:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-MLS players[edit]

I've done a mid-season update, but I wouldn't know where to look for non MLS players. If there are any, can someone please update the bottom table, and replace the "correct as of January 1, 2010"? Thanks, WFC (talk) 05:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet dude. I am actually not seeing anyone from the wins against LA and Portland in the Open Cup that are not already mentioned in the above table. I will do a little bit more doublechecking to see if I missed anyone or if some of the name sin that table did not start in MLS matches.Cptnono (talk) 05:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. There's an editor making a point of trying to get football articles demoted (check out WP:FLRC). So I'm going around the ones I've worked on to check there aren't any serious grounds to do so. Once the January 1, 2010 note can be removed, I'd say this list will be as good as ever. WFC (talk) 06:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody object to me recreating this table? I think the table still has some merit, but the previous table was unproportionately large. I'm thinking a new table would include name, country, years with club, and what competition they competed in.(Chilcokr (talk) 06:12, 23 March 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Too much info[edit]

I don't think the shots and the shots on goal should be in this page. I would prefer making it just like the Arsenal F.C. page where its only games and goals. It looks better and will be much easier to edit. Antoinefcb (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It should go back to how it was on 29 September in my opinion. That was the consensus version. The subsequent changes were discussed at WT:SOUNDERS, but while we agreed that it should be reverted, none of us had the heart to actually do it after all those edits. —W F C— 19:12, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed 100%. Remember WP:NOTSTATS. This is overkill. --JonBroxton (talk) 19:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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International stats?[edit]

I'm confused by the use of international stats (appearances/goals) in the tables. Is there a reason for their inclusion as they relate to the team itself? It seems unnecessary to include on the page. Jay eyem (talk) 19:48, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The international stats are the most difficult stats to keep up to date and I have a hard time finding accurate numbers for some of the players. I wouldn't mind removing them from the page. --Chilcokr (talk) 21:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Handwalla Bwana[edit]

Handwalla Bwana has always had the Kenya flag next to his name. On other teams pages I noticed they used the Somalia flag. It's tough to determine which one is correct as he is Somalian but was born and lived in a refugee camp in Kenya for 6-years, then moved to the US. His twitter bio does have a Somalian Flag so if he were to ever play for a national team, I'm confident it would be Somalia.