Talk:List of South Korean girl groups

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Generational divide is questionable[edit]

Wanted to address the odd divide between first, second, third and fourth 'generations' in this article - while this terminology should, IMO, be included (as it's commonly used when talking about the subject), I don't think yours is done clearly enough to be worth the addition. It also hinges on the popularity of K-pop in the West, which seems regressive and might wane at any time anyway.

I've previously only seen fans mark the generations in terms of the Big 3 companies (JYPE, SM, YG) and their rounds of girl group debuts, which is at least consistent and correlates with larger industry trends. Using this system, the generations would be divided as follows:

  • 1st generation: everything until the debut of Wonder Girls (2007)
  • 2nd generation: Wonder Girls (2007) until Red Velvet (2014)
  • 3rd generation: Red Velvet (2014) until Itzy (2019)
  • 4th generation: Itzy (2019) to present
  • 5th generation: will only begin once Itzy, aespa and YG's next girl group have all been established in the industry, and when one of these companies decides to debut a new group.

This would mean G-IDLE, Loona etc. actually belong to the 3rd generation, as do many on the 4th gen list. Only 18 groups currently fit the Wiki notability guidelines and belong to the 4th gen: the most successful so far are Itzy, Aespa, Weeekly and STAYC.

Untitled[edit]

Are you still working on your draft? Looking forward to reading it!

Peer Review - Xe I like the direction you're going with this topic, branching with different concepts, publicity, and even controversies. Here are a few questions/suggestions I have for you:

As for the profiles of the girl groups, what is your criteria for including certain groups? Additionally, it would be interesting if you include what distinguishes the generations from each other

Under the "Award" section, it would be great to have a list of "top hits" and "album sales."

Don't forget to add citations!

There are some sentences that can be expand, for example:

"all-female idol groups who account for a large portion of the K-pop industry" --> list revenues generated from girl groups; ratio of boy to girl groups, etc.

What made the first generation girl groups successful?

"gender bias does still uniquely affect these groups and their members in a variety of avenues." I hope you can explain the implications gender bias creates.

Those are all the suggestions I have for you! Can't wait to see where you take this article!! Xchang20 (talk) 02:13, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

How is this article notable? Why is it different from List of South Korean idol groups - we barely allow a list of K-pop idols and we don't need a entire table of random trivia. Concepts are ever vast and subjective. Then we get a list of K-pop boy bands and we go off the wall... Evaders99 (talk) 09:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What are the criteria for groups in the table vs in the list?[edit]

I have moved Aespa to the list rather than the table, considering they have yet to have a music show win, or a true "break-through" when compared to other groups in the list section of the 3rd generation (CLC, Pristin, etc.) They also have no award wins yet, so it feels a bit silly to put them in this category already. Once they inevitably get more awards, I would agree that it makes sense, but being from a large company does not automatically enshrine you as a "Best Selling Group," as the table label reads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukestepford (talk • contribs) 00:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have the same question, because I think that LOONA should not be in the list, because if compared to gidle they are both top notch, LOONA got their first win, they have lots of achievements, breakthroughs and awards. I think they are notable enough to be on the table. Eduemoni↑talk↓ 13:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Loona doesn't have a hit single. Anyway, I don't exactly agree with dividing groups between the more successful and less successful. This should be fix in the future.TheHotwiki (talk) 14:40, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Generation problem[edit]

I found that there is no such criteria to divide generation of South Korean girl groups. So, I think we should edit those generation-thing. -- Wendylove (talk) 10:12, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Generation 5[edit]

Babymonster are considered as 5th Generation as 5th Generation had already begun in 2023 according to many reliable KPOP source and media. Aside from Baby Monster, Young Posse are also among those can be considered as 5th Generation KPOP. -- User: Dayville999 ([[User talk:]]) 16:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where are these references? Also BabyMonster and Vcha don't have any hits and platinum-certified albums yet, for its members to be listed in the article one by one.TheHotwiki (talk) 11:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay someone just added another Generation 5 section in this article. Can we get a consensus about this? Hotwiki (talk) 00:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Dayville999 and @Hotwiki: these references could help to distinguish if 5th Generation really began or not:
I think we're ready to move to Gen 5, especially considering Illit's debut has been certified platinum. Orangesclub (talk) 02:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not just about group's getting a certified platinum on an album but should have distinction of how a generation is different to another. And I don't see any difference(s) yet as oppose to what Korean media outlets wants to portray. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 03:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair, I just wanted to add the point seeing as it was mentioned above. I personally think we have moved into a new generation - it doesn't really feel right to me to group Illit/Baby Monster in with G Idle and Ateez, but I don't think there'll ever be a concrete answer.
Would it be better to break down the article by years then? Remove the ambiguity completely? Orangesclub (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also have same perspective but Wikipedia has its guidelines and policies that should abide. And the only thing that comes to mind is to open a discussion for this matter. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article as it is, for now. Years from now, there would be a better understanding if the newer groups are part of the generation V. As for splitting them in years. Imo, that could just cause some issues, as you'd be splitting the article to a dozens of sections. Hotwiki (talk) 04:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listing down the members[edit]

Is listing down the members of the more successful girl groups really important to this article? Not every girl group member listed in this article has their own Wikipedia article. We can also just check the Wikipedia article of the girl groups for those links. I don't see it necessary, compare to enumerating the successful singles/best selling album to prove why certain girl groups are the best selling of their generation. Also certain sub-units of less popular girl groups (like Loona) aren't also mentioned in this article, only the more successful girl groups get to have their sub-unit/s listed in the article. I think members/sub-units should be removed from the table. Hotwiki (talk) 00:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, its been several hours since I brought this up in this talk page. I am removing members and sub-units from the table now per my reasonings. I hope no one has a problem with it. Hotwiki (talk) 06:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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