Talk:List of Square Enix video games

List organization

Is there any better way to organize this list? I was thinking we could possibly put it into table format, like List of Virtual Boy games (a Featured List). If you think that tables are incompatible with big lists, see List of Nintendo 64 games. --Tristam 05:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Tristam has a good point. It is pretty sloppy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.26.1 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I've reorganized the list. It probably needs additional columns, but it's going to be a chore to find sources for North American and European (not to mention Australian?) publishers when they're different than the Japanese one. Kariteh 21:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the list needs some rethinking. Obviously more things need to be included, and I'm not sure the Jap release date is the only one to include. I'm going to start working on it a bit. Just wondering, why didn't you include some of the games? There are a few missing. Also, if we're going to preserve the system information, it's going to be hard to use the current tables. The release dates are different for each system. That's probably why it used to be organized by system. Khsater 14:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

What about something like this? Khsater 15:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Title	Developer	Release dates
3-D WorldRunner	Square	FDS: JAPMarch 12, 1987 NES: NASeptember 1, 1987

I left some games out? I don't know, apart from unreleased games I thought I had included everything. Although yeah, I didn't count ports and remakes. Not even sure why though. It's open for discussion. Also, I left out systems because I wasn't sure how to present them... There are so many (take Final Fantasy I for instance), and it will be very difficult to find exact dates for each system and to source them with reliable references... The big problem is that there's so much information we could include; there are different systems, different regions, different publishers per regions, etc. I tried something in my sandbox here but it's missing the systems. (Don't mind the overwhelming references in every rows and columns, I've put them so I'm sure I source everything, but we don't have to do that in the article's final version.) Kariteh 18:12, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, just wanted to note that finding the actual publisher's names for PS1 European games is really a chore... Some sources say Sony Computer Entertainment Europe for one game, other sources say Square Co. for the very same game, etc. Mobygames is also inconsistent. It's really confusing. Maybe SCEE and Square Co. were both the publishers for these European games?? Kariteh 18:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

You only included games that had wikipedia articles. It wouldn't be a problem, except the only source of information in english about some of these games is this list. I agree with you on the sourcing info. I find it hard to even prove some of these games exist. Is it necessary to use exact dates? Could we do just a year? I've seen multiple publishers on a lot of games so I don't see why the PAL games couldn't have both square and SCEE as publishers. I think that mostly has to do with porting the games to PAL systems. Khsater 18:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Aww, I forgot those Satellaview games and stuff, I see it now... Well, it's going to have to be fixed, hopefully with sources. As for the dates, we can probably put just the year. If this ever gets Featured List candidate, we'll see there if it's a problem or not I guess. Kariteh 21:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

How about something like this (the two first sections)? First year of release, Developer, First publisher, List of consoles of release, and Regions of release. For more details, the reader is free to click on the game's name anyway. Kariteh 12:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Khsater 14:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

CT

Chrono Trigger was listed under Enix Games. I removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.224.98 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Merger with List of Taito games

Taito is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Square Enix now, so shouldn't the games go here now? JohnnyMrNinja 07:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what's the name, but I think Taito isn't totally merged into Square Enix, which means that their games are still released under the brand "Taito". So I think they should remain separate. Also I'm currently working on this list in my Sandbox, and I think maybe the Square, Enix and Square Enix games should be separated (not on different articles, but different sections here). Kariteh 08:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

If the Enix and Square games each have sections in addition to Sqare Enix wouldn't it make sense to have a Taito section? You are correct that the games still say "Taito" but they are as much a property as Final Fantasy. JohnnyMrNinja 10:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I really don't know. Maybe you should post about it on the WikiProject Video games talkpage to see if there's more input from more people there. Kariteh 11:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. SE games are under the SE label whereas Taito games are still Taito games...--Claude 04:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I withdrew the proposal. I guess I'll just reformat the Taito list to look like this one, and cross-link. As it is, it's looks sad (the Taito list, that is). JohnnyMrNinja 04:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Should The Last Remnant be on the list?

Or is there a separate list for upcoming Square Enix games? Just because a game isn't released yet doesn't mean it's not a Square Enix game! -Anthony- 07:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay but try to add the other unreleased games for completeness also. Kariteh 10:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Split

It looks like the article has reached the template usage limit as the bottommost references are broken. The list is currently uncomplete (games released on different consoles at different times must be separated instead of listed only once) and yet it's already 61 kb long. Perhaps it would be better to split this into a List of Enix games, List of Square games, and List of Square Enix games? This would allow for faster page loading and easier navigation, since currently it's kind of difficult to see in which table we are when we scroll the page quickly. Kariteh 10:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree and also Squaresoft and Enix were completely different companies so it is not fair to list all their games together like this. It would cut down on length and avoid confusion of the pre SquareEnix era. 76.174.57.133 20:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I've split the two sections. Kariteh 16:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Tons of new games added; a lot missing

I just added tons and tons of new games to the list, but I recognize that a lot of them are still missing. Maybe I will add them later after some research, but some help would be lovely. Thanks! Shiggy 16:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The 3rd Birthday is PSP exclusive, it's not a Cell Phone game anymore. I'd move it but I'm not sure how and I don't want to screw anything up.

Life is Strange and Before the Storm are missing. Both published by Square Enix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:B000:703:2:0:0:34:138 (talk) 00:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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Kingdom Hearts?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Kingdom Hearts developed and released by Square before the Square Enix merger? Zidane4028 (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Mobile Games Changes

Added two new iOS games announced at E3 2010. Also wasn't sure if these titles are US only I would assume they would at least be Japan and US only. If someone could find some more information out on this. Also cited my source as being Touch Arcade. They are a pretty reliable source for any kind of iOS gaming. Also while in there I changed the platform from iPhone to iOS as these games can be ran on any iOS powered device. (iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad)

IchigoKurosaki (talk) 16:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Concerto Gate

Concerto Gate should no longer have a YES under NA version. It was cancelled, and likely never to return given the age of the game at this point. It also apparently has a Taiwan and other versions, and those should be marked correctly if there is a category for them. Polantaris (talk) 17:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Tables

I don't know how to use the tables, but does someone want to update to add iPhone games? SE has been supporting iPhone pretty heavily. I'd perhaps eliminate the console-pc delineation, since everything but PC is a console, and the line has been blurred of late. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenrodman (talk • contribs) 15:32, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

You should check the List of Square Enix downloadable games page. 98.196.48.43 (talk) 02:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Chaos Rings on PSVita?

Chaos Rings is listed as a PlayStation Vita game, but that isn't true. The game was released for PlayStation Mobile, which can be played in any PlayStation Certified Android device and PlayStation Vita. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.200.81.51 (talk) 18:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Some changes to the list

Windows releases/ports to other systems without any changes should not be separate, that just bloats the article for no reason. I'll chip away at this until both are fixed, but if anybody wants to help, feel free. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:38, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

To clarify, you're saying that if a game was originally released on, say, PS3, that you want to remove rows where it was later released in almost the same version on PC/XBox 360? What about if it was released originally on both PS3 and X360, do both rows stay if they are "connected" in the table? --PresN 21:46, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Or are you saying that the "port" rows should be moved out of date order so that they can combine with the original release row? --PresN 21:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Each game should have all it's releases "connected". I.E., I don't see why we're making the Windows port for FF13 separate, when it should be connected to the original listing of it. Also, I removed all PSN/VC ports of SE's retro games, since all they did was bloat the article. If any of these games actually had any new features/content, then feel free to put them back on the list. Something like the FF7 remake deserves to be on the list, a FF7 port to PSN/VC doesn't. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:03, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, just looking at FF13 as an example, I'm not sure about how it now lists PS3/X360/PC - December 17, 2009, when the PC version came out in 2014, 5 years later. I like moving the PC port up to be with the others, but you should still list the actual release date. I'm also unclear on why you don't think ports should be included in the list unless they get a new name or stuff gets changed. --PresN 00:02, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

It's still the same game, having it listed twice without any other reason than that just makes the article bloated, and could seem to violate WP:NOTCATALOG. As for removing all the PSN/VC ports, again, I did it to keep the article simplified to original release dates only, as all of them were released prior to the merger in 2003. Something like the DS release of Chrono Trigger remains, because it had other additions/changes/fixes, and just wasn't a straight up emulated port. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:47, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I didn't mean listing it twice; see the change I made around FF13, no new row is added, the date is just adjusted for the later version.

As to the ports, okay, so you're restricting the removals to just PSN/VC releases, on the contention that it's literally the same game, just emulated, so the release is similar to being sold in a new store. And I guess the recent FF7 release is the same thing, since FF7 had already been released for PC. Okay, I can buy that. --PresN 05:13, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

While that does look better than the old way, I personally don't think it's 100% needed either. I won't remove it, but I think we need more opinions before we add that to any others. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@Lacon432: you're the one who mainly updates this list recently, what do you think? --PresN 12:51, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

If you guys believe that the ports end up blowing the article up, you can just take them down. I just edit this just to be tidy and more accurate, like what I'm doing with other articles, like List of EA games and whatnow. Do what you please. - Lacon432 (talk) 22:41, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Square Enix Collective

Should games from the "Collective" line be part of the list? I've notice some like Forgotten Anne and Tokyo Dark are missing.

I think so, though only if SE published them (it appears some games are just supported by the collective, not actually published). --PresN 01:46, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

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Merging SE Europe list

I propose adding a column to note if a game is published by SE Limited/Europe/West instead of duplicating those on the List_of_Square_Enix_Europe_games.

Maybe there be could also be a note for SE Inc/North America games, like Quantum Conundrum, that existed prior to the 2013 restructuring.

Re: Talk:List_of_Square_Enix_Europe_games#Scope

IgelRM (talk) 03:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm thinking about doing the opposite, actually, and removing the SEE games from this list (now that it appears the SEE list is stable with SE no longer noting games as being published by them instead of SE proper. My reasoning is that a) this list is increasingly super-long, b) SEE is the only major subsidiary that's duplicated- Taito is split out entirely and it's not clear why SEE isn't beyond the name change, and c) just like the rationale for dropping the games SE was a regional distributor for, the "purpose" of this list is not to simply be a games catalog, but to collect the games associated with the company- and despite being bought by SE a decade ago, the post-Eidos games are quite distinct from the SE games, which is why that publishing wing hung on so long as a distinct entity. --PresN 04:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. I think having split lists is confusing for people unfamiliar with SE corporate structure and the SEE list has rarely been updated in the past. SE Ltd/Europe/West is not a formal name which titles are listed under, people will check this list first.

Could you clarify what you mean with "it's not clear why SEE isn't beyond the name change"?

Maybe we could merge the SEE list into a second table here so there's only one article. This would also shorten the original table length.

IgelRM (talk) 16:43, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Prior to their purchase, Taito and Eidos games were distinct from Square Enix, obviously. Post-purchase, that remained- SE did not make Taito publish traditionally SE games, or the other way around, and the same goes for Eidos. The differences between Eidos and Taito, then are 1) Eidos got renamed and Taito didn't, and 2) Eidos (SEEurope) got wound down from a distinct publisher to just a distributor in the last couple years. At no point did it start publishing SE titles like Final Fantasy or JRPG games; from 2009-2019 it essentially just continued to publish games by Eidos-owned studios.

As such, there's no reason to treat the Taito list and SEEurope list differently. If we were going to merge the SEE list, it would make more sense to merge it to List of Eidos games, though I'm not proposing that. I also wouldn't merge SEE and Taito lists here- this list is already overwhelming, and the addition of a ton of rows, two new columns, or else two new giant tables wouldn't help that. --PresN 16:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Replying to "just a distributor", I'm unsure if you're familiar with Square Enix External Studios? I'm understanding you intend to keep things separated because the company parts are distinctive, though the company represents itself homogeneous to the outside.

But in any way, I think have one article with multiple tables for the reasons mentioned above is a more practical way of organizing here. The separation would make the page less overwhelming, especially if one table is collapsed, and length seems irrelevant at this point. I have drafted a bit up in my sandbox.

IgelRM (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

How are you going to determine "Square Enix West" vs Square Enix, though? For SEE, it's all sourced to sources explicitly saying the game was published or copyrighted by "Square Enix Europe" or "Square Enix, Ltd.", it's not just based on what company developed the game. Now that, as you say in the SEE article, SEE's been effectively merged with the North American operations to form a "Square Enix West" business unit, what sources separate a "Square Enix West" vs. "Square Enix" title? It's not clear in you sandbox example why Dying Light 2 is in a separate table but Marvel's Avengers isn't, especially since Avengers was initially announced through Square Enix Ltd. only for even that minor branding difference to vanish well before launch.

In any case: right now (after pruning the SEE games, since if we re-add them it would be in it's own table and a lot of SEE games were actually missing so I'd rather re-add them from a single list anyways) we have 254 games in 425 rows. That's starting to stretch really far visually, and while this page isn't using a lot of templates you generally start to hit technical problems once you pass 500 rows simply due to the number of citation templates (there's a limit on how many "parser calls" you can have in a single page, and templates usually have 1+, so it's hard to predict exactly where the line is). Additionally, collapsing tables isn't a good idea- collapsing doesn't work on mobile, for example, and is contraindicated for use at all for collapsing important article content like the main tables of the page. --PresN 20:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I only moved a few games as an example in sandbox page. So indeed, Avenger should be on the SEE list as it's copyright "Square Enix, Ltd." on the press hub. And fair, thanks for all your replies.

IgelRM (talk) 17:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Mobiles games

This list excluding mobiles games and being called the main list gives undue weight. It should be moved to "List of Square Enix console games" accordingly. IgelRM (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC)