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Serious NPOV violations[edit]

Many of the character profiles are filled with opinions on the characters, rather than information. Also, lines like "Louise is a typical anime character" aren't particularly informative. Would anyone care to clean this section up a little? If not, I'll see if I can do so myself over the next couple of days. 68.149.189.120 (talk) 08:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stating that references like "Louise is a typical anime character" as not informative is one sided. While those new to anime may not understand it the more knowledgeable viewer or "Otaku" will. This gives the reader a more clearer picture of what they might or might not view based on the description given on Wiki. Simplifying the text only paints a stale picture of what Wiki is trying to represent. In other words just because you don't understand it (They just keep reading on or skip the sentence.) doesn't mean other's won't.(Know what they are talking about right away and choose for themselves to continue reading.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimoireMyst (talk • contribs) 16:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia isn't about catering to the minority, it's about catering to the majority, and make the prose as clear for anyone who reads it. Therefore, the IP is right in that is it says "Louise is a typical anime character", that's a rather biased statement from a very exclusive group of fans, especially considering that this series also has novels, manga, and a visual novel.--十八 20:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since when is the Otaku level of fan a minority. The fan base alone in Japan is more than double than that in the states to which Wiki seems to be catered to. (Before anyone brings up the fact that if they are Japanese they wouldn't speak English they would be wrong. English is a more than common course in Japan.) Rather than calling it a statement it is more a description since in the same article it mentions the voice actress's Typical tendencies when doing a Tsundere type of character. Also this same description is shown in Saito's article as well but no one is complaining of that. What's going to be left on Wiki are articles that will misrepresent the anime. When watched the anime series is a lot different than the Manga and if the line was there in the beginning most people would have steered away from the anime version. On a side note unless you live in Japan and know them all, saying Otaku in a negative way is a stereotype. They have weekly Manga and anime events most of the year with visitor's numbering in the hundreds to thousands. I'd like to see the statistic of casual Wiki reader's that do research on an anime series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimoireMyst (talk • contribs) 08:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The point of wikipedia is not to "represent" the anime/light novels. It is to present a clear NPOV summarization of facts and views of the subject from reliable sources. If you have sources for those kinds of comments (interviews or reviews are probably your best bet) then source them. Otherwise it just sounds like opinionated original research and should be cleaned up into a NPOV or removed. Showers (talk) 20:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since when are otaku the majority? Most of Wikipedia's readers are not otaku. Also being an otaku is considered a negative thing in Japan, so don't use that as a reason. Plus, I'm certain Japanese people use the Japanese Wikipedia far more often than the English one. Juhachi is right - we should tailor the article for the sake of the average reader. After all, this is an encyclopedia not a fan site. The Japanese article doesn't look too bad - I could try translating some of it and using that, though I'm a little busy right now. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quit apart from that, I just went through both seasons of the anime so far and there is no occasion on which Louise's whippings leave a lasting mark on him that we are shown. The editor in question is misremembering or misunderstanding an occasion where Louise's sister left marks on him that she saw. That was incidentally the only occasion when Louise ordered him to remove his shirt for a whipping. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidJohns (talk • contribs) 21:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So no follow up wound no need to mention it when its true. She told him to take off his shirt once so yet again there shouldn't be anything but she's a mage and he's a familiar so its an accidental incident since it was noticed for the given whipping she wanted to do? Why is it that certain people want to make everything she does justifiable and Saito deserved it? You know since he didn't have a mark later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimoireMyst (talk • contribs) 22:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's about getting the facts straight, not justification. Whether Saito deserves his whippings or whether she's a horrible character in her anime incarnation is outside the proper scope of a Wikipedia article. DavidJohns (talk) 03:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is to the person who never saw the show and wants to know what its about. There are quite a few shows with a similar premise with only Saito being called a familiar being any big difference. There are a lot of people who would not consider this show if they knew just how big a difference there is to the others and should be told when they go to look for the information on it. Dry info doesn't serve anything since they are people who read Wiki and not the computers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimoireMyst (talk • contribs) 12:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tabitha inspiration[edit]

Do you guys think that Tabitha (real name Charlotte Orléans) who is a member of a royal family could have possibly been inspired by Charlotte of Orléans who founded a royal house herself? I'm not sure if that's just a coincidence or something, but it was also a French house, and much of the ZnT setting is pretty French. Is this notable enough to list? Tyciol (talk) 04:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article issues[edit]

I just finished the third anime and have been reading over the descriptions. As expected when I originally tagged the article a few days ago, there is an excessive amounts of trivia, unnecessary plot detail, and a boatload of original research and opinions. I'll see about trimming down the details in the next couple of week, if I don't get sidetrack with something else. —Farix (t | c) 03:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The originals works are the novels, not the anime which cuts many things. 十月三日 (^o^) Call me Ju (^o^) 21:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

"Kirche"[edit]

Has it been considered that she may have gotten her Latin/Romaji name due to a transcription error? I'm asking because "Circe"/"Kirke", the name of a beautiful sorceress from the Iliad that turned Odysseus' comrades into pigs, would fit much better. 82.83.237.220 (talk) 18:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So is she based on Circe or Church? AngusWOOF (talk) 19:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anime vs Novel: They are not the same.[edit]

Most of this article needs to be re-written with the fact that trivia from the Anime does not equal trivia from the novel. Example, the whole plot in the Anime "Sheffied captured Louise and hands her over to him to gain her Explosion spell," did not happen in the novel. Another example "During his duel with Saito to win Louise's kiss" that didn't happen in the novel either. Even worse, the next paragraph starts with "In the anime" leaving the impression that what was stated above is general for the novel and anime.

IMHO the article should focus from the POV of the novel first, with anime discrepancies noted. As the article stands now, I would only believe things specified as happening in the novel as actually happening in the novel. I unfortunately cannot make the necessary edits now, I'm writing this mainly as a warning for people using the article in its current state. 70.58.36.135 (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome to relocate character descriptions and events that are anime specific to an anime paragraph for canonicity purposes, however, the anime has a notable, if not, more notable presence among the English audience so its details should not be diminished. -AngusWOOF (talk) 22:37, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'state that is her responsibility as X, to ...'[edit]

Isn't this fragment found in the article ungrammatical (I'm not English) ?