Talk:List of Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps characters

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the List of Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps characters article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

BBC: Sitcoms Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject BBC, an attempt to better organise information in articles related to the BBC. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page where you can join us as a member. You can also visit the BBC Portal.BBCWikipedia:WikiProject BBCTemplate:WikiProject BBCBBC articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article is supported by BBC Sitcoms Task Force.

Tasks for WikiProject BBC:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Improve BBC, BBC News (TV channel) and BBC News to Good Article status following previous reviews, create BBC Computer Literacy Project (in light of forthcoming 30th anniversary)
Cleanup : Chucklevision - references and general clean-up, Pebble Mill Studios - over-detailed and long, BBC World Service Television - unreferenced and confusing
Copyedit : BBC News, Broadcasting House
Expand : Top 20 start-class BBC articles with most importance: BBC Japan, BBC World Service Television, BBC Lifestyle, BBC Two Northern Ireland
NPOV : Criticism of the BBC (See comments)
Stubs : Stub-Class BBC articles
Other : *Restructure the category
- Add infoboxes to the BBC articles without infoboxes
- Add free-use images to biographical articles where possible
- Add references to Goa Mix (see assessment) and Coat of arms of the BBC
- Return Dad's Army to a Good article. (See comments)
- Reassess BBC following improvements to article.

Comedy

	Comedy portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Comedy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of comedy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ComedyWikipedia:WikiProject ComedyTemplate:WikiProject ComedyComedy articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Cheshire

	Cheshire portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cheshire, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Cheshire on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CheshireWikipedia:WikiProject CheshireTemplate:WikiProject CheshireCheshire articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Fictional characters

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Fictional characters, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of fictional characters on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Fictional charactersWikipedia:WikiProject Fictional charactersTemplate:WikiProject Fictional charactersfictional character articles

Lists List‑class

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList articles
List	This article has been rated as List-class on the project's quality scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Television: British

	Television portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Television, a collaborative effort to develop and improve Wikipedia articles about television programs. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page where you can join the discussion. To improve this article, please refer to the style guidelines for the type of work.TelevisionWikipedia:WikiProject TelevisionTemplate:WikiProject Televisiontelevision articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the British television task force.

Other minors[edit]

Hi there. Would it be worth adding brief sections on Andy (Janet's ex), & Janet's dad here? I know they only appear in a few eps but they have arguable merit for plot involvement. I'd be glad to contribute them. Also some of the existing might benefit from tidying up on the wording to avoid confusion. Rodhullandemu 23:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I guess you're right. But instead of "inserting" them in the Supporting Character section, create a new section and put them in there. Name it Minor Characters, because they're not a really supporting characters, if you know what I mean... Cheat.2.Win 03:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the minor charachters you could also add the posh guy who Louise was seeing in series 2--El Legend 15:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had him in mind too but I intend to go through all the DVDs. The criteria have to be pretty strict otherwise, for example, Janet's asbestos-tongued blind date might be included. I intend to use the following: (a) appearance in more than one episode, (b) more than minimal dialogue, such as to (c) contribute to the plot or the comedy. But not without being flexible, of course. --Rodhullandemu 15:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it then. =P Cheat.2.Win 10:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should the old pub regulars be in the minor characters because they are in a lot of episodes in series 5 and 6, although they never have dialogue and the only plot involvement was Arthur kissing Jonn to test if he was gay --El Legend 15:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you've answered your own question there! I don't intend to put them in.--Rodhullandemu 15:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think if Phillip is included in Minor Characters we are going to have to include James as well to avoid arguments over contributory roles in episodes; I think they probably had an approximately equal amount of screen time and had major speaking roles in the episodes that they appeared... so, both in or both out?AirdishStraus (talk) 23:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the sake of completeness, then, I'd change my mind & say both in. Reading what I had written above, I've obviously changed my mind about Arthur. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 23:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tighten up[edit]

I think what is needed is to tighten up what goes into these sections; minor plot events aren't really always useful IMO, to explain what the characters are about. What I would expect a reader to be looking for are (a) Family (b) Job (c) Personality Traits (d) Likes/Dislikes (e) Major plot involvements. I'm sure more might spring to mind but bear in mind this is meant to be an encyclopedia, not a fanzine. Please have a look at Wp:fancruft for what I mean here. Cheers. --Rodhullandemu 23:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

expired messages re images

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Fair use rationale for Image:Jonny Keogh.jpg[edit]

Image:Jonny Keogh.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 03:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:KellyTheBarmaid.jpg[edit]

Image:KellyTheBarmaid.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 10:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Donna Henshaw.jpg[edit]

Image:Donna Henshaw.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 05:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Flo.jpg[edit]

Image:Flo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 11:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Louise Brooks (Two Pints).jpg[edit]

Image:Louise Brooks (Two Pints).jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 22:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Munch Wilkinson.jpg[edit]

Image:Munch Wilkinson.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 02:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Gaz Wilkinson.jpg[edit]

Image:Gaz Wilkinson.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 07:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Minor characters ?[edit]

i suggest we move munch, kelly, flo and possibly tim as main characters as they are becoming more prominent —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helicopter tours (talk • contribs) 21:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They are not the core characters. Kelly is not in the current series. Flo is dead. We don't know yet how much part Tim is going to play. I suggest they stay where they are for now. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 21:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

fair enough Helicopter tours (talk) 22:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Sheridan Smith.jpg[edit]

Image:Sheridan Smith.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot (talk) 05:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spoilers[edit]

Maybe there should be a warning at the top of the page warning you that there's going to be spoilers in this article? Chris (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was a community-wide discussion in about January/February this year which reached a consensus not to give spoiler warnings. I'll post the link if I can dig it out. --Rodhull andemu 19:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Writing about fiction[edit]

Taking WP:MOSFICT as our starting point, all Two Pints-related articles should be written from an "out of universe" perspective; this means (1) we write an overview of the whole programme and (2) do not just rewrite the articles to reflect the current position. In particular (1) Jonny is a major character throughout six of the eight series (2) Timothy Claypole, overall, has so far had fewer appearances than Floella Henshaw, Munch or Kelly the Barmaid, so writing "out of universe" means that he is NOT a main character. That's the way it is. Arguments based on what "other articles do" just shows how poorly they are written. --Rodhull andemu 22:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]