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Proposal for list inclusion

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I have made the following proposal regarding the criteria for inclusion for these lists. If this is something that you have comments or ideas about, please provide feedback. Thanks. Wikibofh 9 July 2005 19:16 (UTC)

There are no sources on this page, therefore everyone should be removed from the list and not put back on until a source is provided. 75.3.4.54 20:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity lists discussion

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Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Vietnamese" or "Vietnamese American" is on the list. Here are the few people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a source that fits that please restore the names:

Mad Jack O'Lantern 04:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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i removed some names with red links. don't think the people are really noteworthy if nobody has bothered to make an article about them Tridungvo 06:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks 102.90.57.147 (talk) 03:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Vietnamese-Americans in the Military

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Need help in updating and expanding this criteria.Bnguyen (talk) 04:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lt. Col. Che "Urchin" Russell, USAF Joint Staff, J2E-1 Division Chief, USAF

N/Lt Col Che V. Russell is currently assigned to Joint Staff/J2E-1. He was born in Saigon, South Vietnam, on 14 February 1965. He attended Bellevue East High School, Bellevue, Nebraska. After graduating from high school in 1984, Lt Col Russell earned his Bachelors of Science in International Affairs from the United States Air Force Academy. He was commissioned on 1 Jun 1988. Lt Col Russell began technical training as an Operations Manager, Keesler AFB, Mississippi, where he was a distinguished graduate. His follow-on assignments included Laughlin AFB, Texas (executive officer and adjutant) and Kadena AB, Okinawa, Japan (command post and wing flight scheduler). Lt Col Russell cross-trained into the Intelligence career field and graduated from Goodfellow AFB, Texas in 1995. He returned to Kadena, providing tactical intelligence support to F-15C, E-3, HH-60, and KC-135 aircrew. Following his Okinawa assignment, Lt Col Russell became the Joint Intelligence Center Pacific, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii North/South Korean Integrated Air Defense Systems and Weapons of Mass Destruction analyst. Afterwards, he spent one year at JMIC completing his Masters degree. Following JMIC graduation, he was assigned as the 552nd Air Control Wing Senior Intelligence Officer and 552nd Operations Support Squadron Intelligence Flight Commander, Tinker AFB, Oklahoma. Lt Col Russell returned to the Joint Military Intelligence College (JMIC) as Executive Officer and on Faculty. On Joint Staff/J2P-4, he was the J2’s AO for QDR 2006 and worked PPBE issues. Lt Col Russell has two Masters degrees: Educational Leadership from Troy State University 1994 and Strategic Intelligence from the Joint Military Intelligence College 2001.

Residing in Alexandria, Virginia, Lt Col Russell is married to the former Atsuko Taira of Okinawa, Japan, since 16 July 1988. They have two sons, Jonathan, who is 15 years old and Justin, who is 12 years old.

He was the winner of the 11th Wing/MAJCOM DRU Lance P. Sijan Leadership Award for 1999. Also, he was the USAF winner of the Federal Asian Pacific American Council Award for 2003. He was selected for an Honorary Diversity Award by the Director, Defense Intelligence Agency in 2004. He is the recipient of the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal, Air Force Commendation Medal, Joint Service Achievement Medal, Air Force Achievement Medal, and has received many awards and recognition for his civic involvement.

ASSIGNMENTS: 2006-present Joint Staff/J2E-1, Division Chief 2005-2006 Joint Staff/J2P-4, Joint Operations Officer 2003-2005 Joint Military Intelligence College, Executive Officer & Faculty 2001-2003 552nd Operations Support Sq, Commander, Intel Flt (E-3 AWACS) 2000-2001 JMIC, Masters of Science in Strategic Intelligence 1998-2000 Joint Intel Ctr Pacific, Chief of Korea IADS and WMD (ie TBM/NBC) 1996-1997 18th Operations Support Sq, Chief of Intel Plans (home and deployment base plans) 1995-1996 44th Fighter Squadron, Chief of Intelligence (F-15C) 1993-1994 18th Wing Scheduler (6 squadrons, 4 airframes, flying hours and budget, and airspace) 1991-1993 18th Wing Command Post Emergency Actions Officer (Pacific Command Post of the Year 1991) 1989-1991 47th Student Squadron and 84th Flying Training Squadron, Adjutant/Section Commander

EDUCATION: Joint Forces Staff College, Joint Professional Military Education II, Norfolk, VA, 2006 Air War College by correspondence, 2006 MS, Strategic Intelligence, Joint Military Intelligence College, DC, 2001 Air Command and Staff College in seminar, 2000 PACACES, Eielsen Air Force Base, Alaska, 1996 Intelligence Training Course, Goodfellow Air Force Base, Texas, 1995 Squadron Officers School, Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama, 1994 (Selected Outstanding Briefer) MS, Educational Leadership, Troy State University, Alabama, 1994 Operations Management Course, Keesler Air Force Base, Mississippi, 1989 (Distinguished Grad) BS, Political Science (International Affairs), United States Air Force Academy, Colorado, 1988

RECOGNITION: 11th Wing Lance P. Sijan Leadership Award 1999 USAF Federal Asian Pacific American Council Award 2003 Recipient Director, Defense Intelligence Agency Honorary Diversity Award 2004 Defense Meritorious Service Medal (1) Air Force Meritorious Service Medal (1) Air Force Commendation Medals (3) Joint Service Achievement Medal (2) Air Force Achievement Medals (2) Bnguyen (talk) 04:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How are these people notable? DHN (talk) 04:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Each person listed, below I have provided news links which is the reason they are notable.Bnguyen (talk) 04:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Tran Quoc Binh - the first U.S. Army Vietnamese-American killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom, Baghdad, Iraq[1]
  • Lt. Col. (Dr.) Paul Doan - chief of aerospace medicine for the 379th Expeditionary Medical Group in Southwest Asia. [1][2]
  • Captain John “Viet” Dinh - Fighter pilot in the U.S. Marine Corps.[3]
  • Quang X. Pham - He was the first Vietnamese American to earn naval aviator's wings in the U.S. Marine Corps.
  • Jean Nguyen and Hung Vu, in 1985, became the first Vietnamese immigrants to graduate from the United States Military Academy at West Point. Both had arrived in the United States just ten years earlier, unable to speak English.[4]
  • Navy Lt Col Che V. Russell - He was the winner of the 11th Wing/MAJCOM DRU Lance P. Sijan Leadership Award for 1999. Also, he was the USAF winner of the Federal Asian Pacific American Council Award for 2003. He was selected for an Honorary Diversity Award by the Director, Defense Intelligence Agency in 2004.[5][6]
I still don't see what's notable about them. Take away the "Vietnamese" and what do you have? Or are you going to list "first Vietnamese American cell phone user", "first Vietnamese person born in the US", "first Vietnamese American teacher", "first Vietnamese American lawyer", "first Vietnamese American computer user", etc. DHN (talk) 05:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Each person I have searched their names on google.com and found various articles about their contributions. I have posted their names in the proper format under Vietnamese because that is their ethncity and they are listed in the Military. Another notable Vietnamese-American in the US Military.

[9]Bnguyen (talk) 05:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Van K. Tran (Cherry Point, NC) - Lieutenant Colonel Tran is the most senior ranking Vietnamese American on active duty with the United States Marine Corps (CH-53E, Helicopter Pilot, Operation Iraqi Freedom, Albania Rescue, etc.)
  • Khanh Tuan Pham (Savannah,GA)- Major Pham, an active duty soldier in the US Army, proudly serving America in Iraq for the second time. He was a 1st Lieutenant during the Persian Gulf War, and he is there now serving as the S2/3(Security and Operation) for the 429th Medical Evacuation Battalion of Savannah Georgia in Operation Iraqi Freedom.
  • LTC Mylene Tran Huynh fled from Vietnam in 1976 when she was nine years old with her family in a crowded, open boat that brought them, exhausted, to the Philippines. [10]
  • Dai Vo, Lieutenant Colonel, US Arm Forces (retired)
  • 1987 Hoang Nhu Tran, a former boat person, valedictorian of U.S. Air Force Academy in class of 960 students. He was also a Rhodes Scholar and Time magazine's recipient of the 1986 College Achievement Award. [11]
  • LTC Diep A. Duong "A Descriptive Study of Hypertension in Vietnamese Americans"[12]Bnguyen (talk) 20:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, for military subject, someone is considered notable automatically if they are a flag officer, i.e. O-7 or higher in the U.S., or awarded the nation's first level medal, in the U.S. that would be the medal of honor. Depending on coverage others who are awarded lower level medals such as the Silver Star, or the Navy/Distinguished Service/Air Force Cross, may also be considered notable depending on the coverage. Otherwise, an individual would have to be notable given the general WP:BIO guidelines. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:33, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Biography of Tran Quoc Binh
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Who to include or who not to include

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I really don't think it's a good idea to include those who are not fully Vietnamese or those who are Vietnamese but with non-Vietnamese.

These people don't represent Vietnamese.

I find these people to be disturbing. I am willing to fight for my opinion to the very end, because I believe what I am doing is right. For now, I am very inclined to revert this article to my previous edits if that's okay. If you have any issues, talk to me in this section. 118.208.233.159 (talk) 19:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please review WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:NPOV. You are removing plenty of well-referenced material. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That may be so, but well referenced material from the perspective of someone that pushes for white men-Asian women and the erasure of Asian men? In fact, my previous edits show much greater restraint, nuance and delivers what the Vietnamese truly are, rather then some sort of mixed hodge-podge of nothingness. In fact, it would make more sense to have an article, Vietnamese-American, then a separate one, mixed race individuals. For my concerns, refer to the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#Anglo-American_focus and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.233.159 (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't reply soon, I very well may be very inclined to revert the article to my edits. Please do not mistake it for vandalism or edit war. 118.208.233.159 (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It sounds like you are attributing some bizarre racist motives to every author of every source that you removed. That's absurd. If you want to counter this perceived systematic bias, you should be creating articles for and adding links to Vietnamese Americans who fit your strangely narrow definition of what it is to be Vietnamese. The answer to countering systematic bias is not removing people from the list who are of verifiable Vietnamese ancestry. It would not be vandalism, but it would definitely be disruptive editing and edit warring. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mixed race individuals are not the same as being Vietnamese, obviously. You must be taking offense to my actions, but that is the truth. There is a reason why mixed raced people are often not accepted as much as communities that don't include mixed race people to their definition of identity. If you're willing to include people who are mixed race, as well as people who are with someone not of their race and culture, then that is filed under "multicultural relationship", not Vietnamese. 118.208.233.159 (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, I think you are just looking for an excuse to "prevent vandalism" from someone who intends on not doing any of that at all. As such, these individuals and people don't belong here on this page if they don't demonstrate a commitment to Vietnamese culture - that is, a Vietnamese name or Vietnamese surname, and being with someone Vietnamese. Otherwise, they are just mixed-race.118.208.233.159 (talk) 20:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt anyone will want to bother arguing with this IP. It's just a list of people who are US citizens/PR etc who are of Vietnamese descent Bumbubookworm (talk) 23:58, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DRN Volunteer Statement I want to copy here what was said on the DRN Closing- "First- this dispute is 24 hours old- by far not qualifying for the extended discussion required to file a DRN case- so for that reason alone- this case would be closed. Now- moving past that onto the content. IP editor you need to check your bias at the door. I understand you have passionate opinions- great- that belongs somewhere, but not on WP. on WP we rely on facts. is there a WP:RS that says this notable person is Vietnamese American? Then they can go on this list- end of discussion. Don't like to see mixed-race couples? That's a concern that does not belong on WP. Feel like Vietnamese Males are being discriminated against? Again- that argument has no place on WP. We are not here to support your soapbox- we are here to collect and distribute what most WP:RS say about a topic. Now- are there a plethora of WP:RS discussing the issue of Vietnamese women seeking white trophy husbands and doing so to the detriment of Vietnamese men? Then go start an article reflecting what sources say about that topic- but make sure every line you write is supported by reliable sources- not synthesized from your own interpretation. I am a volunteer, not an admin, but should you choose not to WP:DROPTHESTICK you will end up on the ANI as a WP:SPA. " This talk page and article are on my watch list now. Should the disruption continue, I will take it to the appropriate page, although, of course, anyone else is welcome to do so. Nightenbelle (talk) 15:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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