Talk:List of bridge failures/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merge list of collapses from Bridge

The current listing of collapses in Bridge greatly duplicates much text here. It would seem to make sense to have one list. Velela 19:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Proposed removal of Harrow and Wealdstone bridge

I don't believe this entry should be here, as the bridge failure was a consequence, not a cause of the problem. It caused me to choose the entry because I was unaware of any UK bridge failure causing so many deaths, which was confirmed by the entry. Vicarage 02:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I for one would vote to keep. A lot of these failure aren't so much direct incidents (Sunshine Skyway in Tampa, Mobile Amtrak incident, and even the recent Oakland incident. I think it's a question worth asking: should disasters where the bridge was not directly at fault be listed. But for my two cents, keep, at least given the current article JeopardyTempest 10:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Duplication

Why is the info for some accidents/disasters duplicated (table and list)? Shouldn't they only be mentioned once? Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 04:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

That dates back to December 06 when a list of disasters from the Bridge article was moved here: they still need tidying up and rationalising. If you've time, feel free to jump right in! I'd suggest they're all moved to the table format, personally. -- Kvetner 07:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Cool. If I get the chance to, I'll do it. Andrew⁶⁴⁷ 15:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Since the table can be sorted by date, the list is completely redundant. If the article weren't in flux so much due to the Minneapolis I-35W bridge collapse news, I'd fix it now. --Dawdler 00:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree - list is redundant. Also does anyone think the Lacey V. Murrow Memorial Bridge should be added? laurap414 21:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Damage

In the damage section, the description is not consistent. A couple of different phrases seem to me to mean exactly the same thing, and I believe the same description should be used for the same problem. The descriptions that seems the same to me are as follows: Bridge total damage, Bridge completely destroyed, Bridge totally destroyed, Total destruction, Bridge destroyed, Total collapse, Bridge total damage, Total collapse, and Total bridge failure. Seems to me one phrase should be used, and not the many as listed above. Leppi 06:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

(Untitled discussion)

Should we not have a definition of what constitutes a disaster ? Some of these sound like minor, albeit interesting, accidents. I would have assumed that it needed at least a fatality to qualify as a disaster? Any thoughts or suggestions ? Velela 19:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

What in the world differentiates regular disasters from catastrophic collapse!?! The Webbers Falls incident seemed larger than quite a few of the others listed in terms of injury/death... and in terms of how complete bridge destruction was. Sunshine Skyway was listed but not that one. I guess its Wikipedia and I should myself be making such changes, but I'd like to hear others discuss. I think if we are going to have separate categories, we at least some generic rules for why some make a stronger list. JeopardyTempest 08:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, in reading this page it seems more like a list of notable bridge collapses than it does a list of disasters...several of the entries in the list have no injuries, much less deaths. In particular, although the Harp Road incident seems to be a nasty inconvenience, it hardly seems to be a full-fledged disaster. I'd support renaming the page or revisisng the list.--BlackAndy 22:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

(Fictional) Bridge on the River Kwai was not a disaster/ accident

I've removed the entry for the 'Bridge on the River Kwai' as a Fictional Bridge Disaster. The bridge was destroyed by a wartime demolitions team, not by accident/ failure, in both the novel and the movie. The real Burma railway bridge was destroyed by Allied bombing, but then repaired.

• If the real bridge was destroyed by bombing, then why is the collaps of the Sterling Bridge in the 1200s listed? It wasn't an accident.Vlasktom 05:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

An accident can be a disaster, as can an intentional incident. A forest fire, for example, can be disastrous whether it be sparked by lightning or set intentionally. But maybe that isn't your question?--BlackAndy 22:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

More recent I-80 bridge collapse

Why is the more recent tanker fire and subsequent bridge collapse of I-80 in San Francisco not listed here?Bryanpeterson 21:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

War Crime

Added entry into the table about the famous historic bride on Neretva (cannoned into river during the yugoslav fall-apart war in 1993, now rebuilt). 91.83.19.241 (talk) 23:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone else reverted it. I assume that's because it wasn't a natural disaster, i.e it was done on purpose, and that's beyond the scope of the article. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

This is illogical. The Remagen bridge is also included in the list and that one collapsed due to WWII bombardment, so both should stay or be removed to be NPOV. Or what about the Margaret Bridge on Danube, in Budapest, Hungary? That one exploded on November 4th, 1944, with some 600 civilians on it (the nazi german troops undermined it in preparation to upcoming soviet army invasion but the detonators short-circuited prematurely, killing so many people). Isn't the death of 600 people a bridge disaster, regardless of war or peace? 82.131.210.162 (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

According to the writeup [1] that bridge was not directly destroyed by bombardment. However, I agree with you that it does not belong on the list, or else there should be a separate section for deliberate sabotage of bridges, although that could prove to be quite a long list. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 11:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Two lists

Do we need two lists? One called "Catastrophic collapses", which is in date order, and one called "Disasters in date order", assumed to be catastrophic. They seem to cover exactly the same thing. They should be merged. --BIL (talk) 22:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing. With the advent of sortable tables, we should just have one main list. The rest can be merged into the main table. spryde | talk 11:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

And then redirect the one to the other. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 11:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Task done. There is however still the list of Bridge collapses during construction. I am minded to integrate that into the table too. Any thought?

I am also strongly minded to rename the whole thing to List of bridge failures because, as noted 2 years ago, many of these aren't disasters even 'though some are. Any objections ? Velela (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Korean war bridge disaster

The South Korean army blew up a bridge over the Han River in Seoul during the Korean war as it was full of people retreating from the North. That should probably be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thathideousstrength (talk • contribs) 02:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

There would not be enough accidents of this kind to create a dedicated article, so incorporate in this one. Tabletop (talk) 04:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Split list into decades and centuries?

Can we split the every growing list into centuries and decades? Tabletop (talk) 04:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I would strongly advise against doing this. At present the list is sortable by every field so that even if new entries are not added into the correct place they can be sorted into place just by clicking on the sort symbol in the column header. Splitting them into decades would mean having to sort through many separate lists for a particular incident if you were unsure of the date. The present structure allows the table to be sorted by country, or by date or by name etc. which is a very useful facility in a long list  Velela  ^{Velela Talk}   09:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Didn't know that! Tabletop (talk) 10:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

35W bridge collapse in MN

Could someone please add the 2007 35W bridge collapse that occurred in Minneapolis, MN. I would, but am not sure how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.11.208 (talk) 06:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

If you can provide details and references here to support it that can easily be fixed.  Velela  ^{Velela Talk}   14:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

It is there already! Peterlewis (talk) 14:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yup, can't add what's already there. It was probably added a few minutes after it happened, in fact. - Denimadept (talk) 17:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yep: [2], the syntax isn't right yet, but it was added an hour or so after it happened. - Denimadept (talk) 17:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I-10 causeway collapses

Noticed that the collapse and displacement of the I-10 causeways over Escambia Bay (near Pensacola, FL, USA) in 2004 due to Hurricane Ivan is not listed. Nor is the collapse in Lake Ponchartrain (near New Orleans, LA, USA) the following year due to Hurricane Katrina. I have a reference for the latter (http://pubs.usgs.gov/circ/1306/pdf/c1306_ch3_d.pdf), and the Hurricane Ivan page has plenty for the former (e.g. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2004ivan.shtml?). As far as I am aware neither involved any known deaths due directly to the collapses themselves. Will try to add them in myself if I can dig up complete information (and figure out the table syntax) Flj529 (talk) 05:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Table syntax is pretty simple. The easiest way for you to do this is to identify the entry that would immediately precede the enty you are adding. Go to edit mode, then search for the name of that existing entry. Scroll up a little, you will find a line containing a single symbol pair, "|-". That symbol is the markup for a row break. Select from this row break until the row break (do not select both the first and last |-, only select one of them). You have now selected the entire entry. Control-X to cut, Control-V to paste it back in, and then a second control-V to create a duplicate entry. Now you can just edit the duplicate entry. Notice that each line begins with a |, which indicates the start of a column. Pretty simple. Dovid (talk) 18:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Another

• Spider Bridge at Falls of Schuylkill

Tabletop (talk) 05:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Fremantle

See "FREMANTLE BRIDGE". Examiner (Launceston, Tas. : 1900-1954). Launceston, Tas.: National Library of Australia. 9 September 1926. p. 4 Edition: DAILY. Retrieved 1 July 2011.

Tabletop (talk) 03:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Another one?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8495807.stm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.116.125.63 (talk) 12:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Chaudière - Hull Québec

http://www.ottawagraphy.ca/timeline/great-ottawa-hull-fire lists the Chaudière Bridge in Hull, Québec as being destroyed by the 1900 Hull–Ottawa fire - is this worth including, given that the bridge was merely lost as collateral damage in a larger-scale local disaster? 66.102.83.61 (talk) 05:42, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

9 Mile Road bridge at I-75

The cause of this collapse is listed as "Police officer pulled over tanker to cause fire", with no citation. This seems way too controversial without some proof, so I am editing it out today. I will search for a reference and put it back if appropriate. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Missing Collapse: Lake Street Bridge, Mpls, 1990

Missing bridge: Lake Street Bridge Collapse, Minneapolis, MN, April 24, 1990. (This is different from the I35 collapse.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Street_Bridge

Collapsed during construction of replacement bridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.130.44 (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2013 (UTC)