Talk:List of canonizations

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Pre-1588 Canonizations added[edit]

I added the few dozen saints listed here. The information in this source may conflict with information in the saints' articles. This source includes canonization date, saint name, date of death, and the canonizing pope. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please look up the WP:MOSBD[edit]

when adding birth and death dates. Thank you. --Dharion (talk) 10:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion[edit]

I am proposing to merge List of saints by pope with this article. They both are duplicate of each other. --Jayarathina (talk) 16:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. (Although, honestly, while this is a better article, I think that one has a better namespace. I'm usually all for brevity, but this one is rather unclear as to the subject.) — LlywelynII 17:11, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
An attempt to proceed with the merge was reverted by the apparent owner of this page, who prefers inline links to citations aa well as inaccurate information. Mannanan51 (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uncertain: Proceed with a sortable wikitable? See below. — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support JoeHebda's solution below. I think that would be the best route to take. Avoids the duplication of lists "by _____" and avoids huge tables. (If there's a way to make tables collapsible, that would be a good thing to add so readers can shrink tables they know they're not interested in; I'm not sure if that's actually an option, though.) Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 17:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A sortable wikitable?[edit]

For many months, I was updating List of Catholic saints with information from List of canonizations since it appears to be the most complete. I do like the wikitable format within List of saints by pope

In addition, there are these individual canonization lists:

Stepping back and looking at "the big picture", for the average Wikipedia reader, what might be easiest and complete would be an article/list with a sortable (all columns) Wikitable like this:

| Saint name | Birth date | Death date | Pope canonized by | Canonization date |

To prevent the table from becoming HUGE, it might be broken apart by century like List of Popes for example. — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:45, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeHebda: you did a lot of work on this, I think your wikitable idea is good. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 22:38, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mockup of sortable wikitable[edit]

While I am no expert for coding wikitables, I did "clone" some of List of saints canonized by Pope Paul VI, the first few of the 21 saints that he canonized.

No. Saint Birth date Death date Canonized by Date of Canonization
1. Charles Lwanga and 21 Companions 1860 or 1865 3 June 1886 Pope Paul VI 18 October 1964
2. Benildus Romançon 14 June 1805 13 August 1862 Pope Paul VI 29 October 1967
3. Julie Billiart 12 July 1751 8 April 1816 Pope Paul VI 22 June 1969
4. Maria Soledad 2 December 1826 11 October 1887 Pope Paul VI 25 January 1970

* Discussion: – If there is another or better way of setting this up, I invite any and all editors to change above with any improvements needed. Cheers! — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@JoeHebda: the "Saint" and "Birth date" fields is not sorting correctly in your mockup. I'm guessing or in "Birth date" is confusing the algorithm.
No. Saint Birth date Death date Canonized by Date of Canonization
1. Charles Lwanga and 21 Companions 1860 or 1865 3 June 1886 Pope Paul VI 18 October 1964
2. Benildus Romançon 14 June 1805 13 August 1862 Pope Paul VI 29 October 1967
3. Julie Billiart 12 July 1751 8 April 1816 Pope Paul VI 22 June 1969
4. Maria Soledad 2 December 1826 11 October 1887 Pope Paul VI 25 January 1970
I added:
  • {{dts}}s as a fix in the above version of your mockup. {{dts}} does not fix the sort if only added to one date, e.g. 1860.
  • data-sort-value="last name, first name"| (see WP:TABLESORT for other options) to sort by last name.
  • class="unsortable"| so the "No." field is not sortable. I think the "No." field will be troublesome since each value is hard coded – adding a missing saint into the table between two previously added saints will require inserting a new number.
–BoBoMisiu (talk) 21:19, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks BoBoMisiu for the table updates. Sure looks like a lot more wikicode, wish there was an easier way. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 17:17, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikitable example, more data[edit]

No. Saint Birth date Death date Canonized by Date of Canonization
1. Mary Euphrasia Pelletier 31 July 1796 24 April 1868 Pope Pius XII 2 May 1940
2. Gemma Galgani 12 March 1878 11 April 1903 Pope Pius XII 2 May 1940
3. Margaret of Hungary 27 January 1242 18 January 1271 Pope Pius XII 19 November 1943
4. Frances Xavier Cabrini 15 July 1850 22 December 1917 Pope Pius XII 7 July 1946
5. Nicholas of Flüe 1417 21 March 1487 Pope Pius XII 15 May 1947
6. Bernardino Realino 1 December 1530 2 July 1616 Pope Pius XII 22 June 1947
1. Carlo Melchiori 19 October 1613 6 January 1670 Pope John XXIII 12 April 1959
2. Joaquina Vedruna de Mas 16 April 1783 28 August 1854 Pope John XXIII 12 April 1959
3. Gregorio Barbarigo 16 September 1625 18 June 1697 Pope John XXIII 26 May 1960
4. Juan de Ribera 16 September 1625 18 June 1697 Pope John XXIII 12 June 1960
1. Charles Lwanga and 21 Companions 1860 or 1865 3 June 1886 Pope Paul VI 18 October 1964
2. Benildus Romançon 14 June 1805 13 August 1862 Pope Paul VI 29 October 1967
3. Julie Billiart 12 July 1751 8 April 1816 Pope Paul VI 22 June 1969
4. Maria Soledad 2 December 1826 11 October 1887 Pope Paul VI 25 January 1970

* Discussion: Above example has more data & three popes. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Example from beginning[edit]

Hey all, in light of the merge dicussions, I started a table from the beginning.

Some notes: When dates were unknown, I left them blank. If saints were called "blabla of someplace" I had the table sort by their given name rather than the place. I also included a notes column since it looks like some of the other articles to be merged in included some notes. Thoughts? It'd be great if several people could contribute. Is there some way we'd like to split the table? Centuries were proposed. If others could contribute that'd be great. We could either start building the table in the article or build it here and move it over. Thoughts? Ajpolino (talk) 02:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No. Saint Birth date Death date Canonized by Date of Canonization Notes
1. Pope Nicholas I 800 867 Pope Adrian II 8 May 868
2. Ulrich of Augsburg 890 973 Pope John XV 31 January 993
3. Adalbert of Prague 956 997 Pope Gregory V 3 February 997
4. Simeon of Mantua 10th c. 1016 Pope Benedict VIII 1016 Also called "Simeon of Polirone"
5. Adalard of Corbie 751 827 Pope John XIX 1024
6. Bononio 1026 Pope John XIX 1026
7. John of Beverley 721 Pope Benedict IX 1037
8. Symeon of Trier 980 1035 Pope Benedict IX 1042
9. Wiborada of Saint Gall 926 Pope Clement II 5 January 1047
10. Deodatus of Nevers 679 Pope Leo IX 1049
11. Gervase of Liege Pope Leo IX 1049
12. Floribert of Ghent Pope Leo IX 20 April 1049
13. Romaric 653 Pope Leo IX 3 December 1049
14. Ame 627 Pope Leo IX 3 December 1049
15. Adelphus Pope Leo IX 3 December 1049
16. Gerard of Toul 935 994 Pope Leo IX 2 May 1050
17. Wolfgang of Regensburg 934 994 Pope Leo IX 8 October 1051
18. Erhard of Regensburg Pope Leo IX 8 October 1051
19. Romaric of Remiremont Pope Leo IX 1051

Pinging editors who participated in the discussion 6 months ago @JoeHebda, Jujutsuan, and BoBoMisiu:. Any help is much appreciated! Ajpolino (talk) 02:18, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

* Recommend – To help "get the job done" I think we should simplify this wikitable with less columns. Then the list will be more consistent with these two:

If the reader needs more information from the list there is the wikilink to that person's article. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

* Redirect this article to comprehensive List of saints so there is one central place to maintain. — JoeHebda • (talk) 17:28, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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