Talk:List of cities in North Macedonia

Population sizes of largest cities

I've noticed that there have been a spate of changes made to the populations of the largest cities which are represented in both a table and in text. The latest change to the table now matches the text, however the actual wikilinked articles present different figures for the populations.

The problem seems to be that this list is still based on the 2002 census, whereas the linked articles are using some of the failed 2011 Census stats ("Пописот на населението, домаќинствата и становите, 2011 година." which is archived here).

I'm tagging the article as being in need of updating as I don't have time at the moment to update the extensive tables and linked articles. Naturally, if this issue has been discussed on surrounding articles, and there has been consensus to disregard anything post-2002, anyone else is welcome to remove the tag. It would be appreciated if a Macedonian speaker could update the lists before I can find a couple of hours to dedicate to the task (please bear in mind that Macedonian barely exists, and that I'm going to have to struggle through the PDF double-checking against google translate). If no one can get to it before me, I'll try to find the time next week. Cheers!

While I realise that the 2002 census hasn't been 'usurped', there are definitely some useful stats to be drawn from this bulletin and this 2012 publication which is in English (always an advantage for the reader). While the 2012 publication doesn't impact on this page, discussions on how to integrate it into surroundings articles would be useful. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:23, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I've always stuck to using the 2002 census figures since they're the most reliable available (that I know of) despite how old they are. A common misconception that frequently leads to incorrect numbers being included for city populations is that the municipality population is the same as the city population. That's why Kumanovo is often changed to 105k instead of 70k. That's a good link you've found but it doesn't seem to have individual city populations. I'll go through the list and make sure the numbers match up with the 2002 city populations sometime this week if we're okay with using the 2002 census stats. --Local hero ^talk 02:12, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I understand your reticence to use other sources where the 2002 stats are at least reliable. The same applies to Ukraine as there has been no census since 2001. For some of the surrounding articles, however, RS updates can be useful for supplementing data where it's known that there have been considerable changes. I'm fine with with sticking to the 2002 census, but some of the other data could be integrated into the relevant articles (even as a comparative) in order to indicate changes in trends for the edification of readers.

As Macedonia isn't really one of my fields, I'll leave the decisions in your capable hands. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:37, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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