Talk:List of folk rock artists/Archive 1

Archive 1

Electric folk

I'd hope at some point to pull out a list of electric folk musicians as a separate subheading. -- TimNelson 13:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. I only included the ones that I knew for certain. -- TimNelson 02:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Electric folk is now British folk rock. SilkTork (talk) 14:46, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Edits by Spylab "cleaned up page layout to conform with list format"

Spylabs edits seemed to consist of:

1. Commenting that the list needs to be alphabetised
2. Removing any information except the link itself
3. Changing the names and descriptions of sections
4. Removing the text that puts the lists in 3 columns
5. Adding a few additional links

Let me address these one at a time:

1. Alphabetised list: In some cases this is true. But nearly all sections are in order. The order is either alphabetical by band name or artist surname, or ordered by the year the person/group entered the scene (Electric folk section). While this should be made explicit, it's already in order
2. By removing any information other than the link itself, Spylab makes the entire list pointless. According to Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes, having additional information is one of the advantages of lists over categories.
3. By changing the names and descriptions of the sections, without changing the contents, the contents become unrelated to the heading. For example, changing "singer/songwriter" to "soloist", while maybe useful in broadening the category, should have been placed as another heading (soloists contains singer-songwriters). I'm not necessarily convinced this is a good idea, but it may be useful. Given the choice, I'd change the overarching category to "songwriters".
4. Removing the text that puts stuff in 3 columns -- I don't really mind much what happens here. I think it's a long list, and the columns help that way, but I'm not sure they're always a good idea.
5. Adding a few extra links -- great, I'll do another edit that includes these

-- TimNelson 02:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've included the extra links that Spylab provided. I've also incorporated some notes about scope and list ordering. After this closer revision of Spylab's edits, it seems there's a certain amount of disagreement about what categories to use on this page. I'm not exactly keen on either the scheme used by the current page, or the one used by Skylab. However, I'm keen to discuss other methods of categorisation. Here's a scheme that I think would be good:

• American-style folk rock
  • Subsections could be based on nationality, or era, or both
• Anglo-Celtic folk rock
  • Subsections definitely based on era
• Folk Punk
  • Subsection for Celtic Punk

Once we have these outlined a bit, we can start working on moving the uncategorised stuff around a bit too.

-- TimNelson 03:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Rock/Punk/Etc?

I don't quite understand why folk punk and celtic punk are included in this page, when they've got artist lists on their own pages. I get that they're pretty related to folk rock, but following that logic, shouldn't we also include folk metal and neofolk? I'm thinking maybe we should just take those two out and put a "see also" to those pages at the end or something. Gueneverey 02:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this suggestion. Firstlensman (talk) 15:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Disputed Inclusions/Exclusions

I would like to question the inclusion of Fleetwod Mac in your list of folk influenced bands. Fleetwood Mac were originally a great British 60s blues band who later, in the 70s, and after exchanging several key members, transmogrified into an equally great stadium rock band. I can't think of any song that they ever did that reminds me of either English or American (white) folk music. I can only imagine that whoever decided to include them in the list was somehow influenced by The Corrs' Celtic flavoured cover of Fleetwood Mac's "Dreams". The original version, on the best-selling Rumours album, isn't in the least bit "folky".

I would also like to question why the following artists have NOT been included (these are just off the top of my head - I may think of more later): Nick Drake, Roy Harper, Mike Oldfield, Mike Heron (the other half of the Incredible String Band), June Tabor, Shawn Colvin (maybe), 10,000 Maniacs/Natalie Merchant, REM (they have recorded Richard Thompson songs which proves a folk-rock influence that is evident in their music to me anyway).

PassingMuso 217.135.151.165 (talk) 19:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)