Talk:List of major and official Austronesian languages

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Why is Formosan left out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.167.12.253 (talk) 04:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Malayic family[edit]

Indonesian and Malay are 2 different languages, please explain here, what is the reason you believe Indonesian is part of the Malay language — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahasa Kitasemua (talk • contribs) 15:49, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! "Bahasa Melayu" according to Badan Bahasa is dialek lokal/tempatan like Bahasa Melayu Betawi as is treated as different as Minangkabau or Javanese, this is not the consensus of linguists whether from Malaysia & Indonesia or from abroad. Kindly see these sources:

Nothofer, Bernd (2009). "Malay". In Brown, Keith; Ogilvie, Sarah (eds.). Concise Encyclopedia of Languages of the World p. 678
Sweeney quoted by Gallop (2022) in https://tengara.id/esai/bahasa-melayu-dan-dunia-persuratan-nusantara/

Sincerely, anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.141.174.152 (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your country's definition of Malay is for you, we have other definitions of Malay, Indonesian is an autonomous language that is distinct and independent from Malay, we never consider our language to be part of Malay Bahasa Kitasemua (talk) 15:59, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about that because I don't know myself despite being a Malaysian. I only cite whatever stuff that is generally known in my field. If anything, you can write to disagree to those people in the links I picked if so, no need to attack me directly.

I do apologise for my anonymity, it is not of malicious intent. 175.141.174.152 (talk) 16:03, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't play national cards here. This is the wrong approach. We only follow reliable sources. And there are many reliable sources which treat Indonesian as a standardized variety of Malay. And so did the "fathers" of the Indonesian language at the Kongres Pemuda, when they renamed the standard variety of Malay that was used by the Balai Bahasa as "Bahasa Indonesia" in order to become a vehicle of national unity and self-determination. But there is not offensive in saying that Indonesian is a variety of Malay, it's just a matter of what you're talking about: the standard language, or its intrinsic linguistic features. Under the former aspect, Indonesian is distinct from Standard Malay, under the latter, it can be considered a variety of Malay. –Austronesier (talk) 16:15, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]