Talk:List of massacres in New Zealand

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Massacres to be added[edit]

Pukerangiora siege, 1831
Bain family murders
Schlaepfer family murders
Ratima family murders
Raurimu shootings
Featherson POW camp riot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.50.5.100 (talk) 03:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if most recent edit is considered a massacre. BobTheManX26 : Talk 05:11, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revenge following death of du Fresne[edit]

I question the reference to "Revenge attacks following death of Marion du Fresne 13 June 1772-July 1772", or that this was a massacre. The article on du Fresne indicates that there were some 250 Maori killed during attacks on the France camps, after the murder of du Fresne. This was neither a revenge attack nor a massacre. It was a battle, that the Maori lost. Royalcourtier (talk) 03:56, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Waikino School Shooting[edit]

If a death toll of two is considered a massacre (as seems to be the case from the current table), then the Waikino School Shooting should be included. Reference: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12145161

I don't judge the NZ Herald as a reliable source, but its article states that it's NZ's only school shooting, which prompted me to make this suggestion here. Maybe someone with direct knowledge of the incident can add it to the table. 122.58.17.121 (talk) 23:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC) Martyn[reply]

"Arbitrary minimum"[edit]

In what concept of massacre is 2 considered to be a massacre? Or ever 3, or 4? This shows a distinctly poor degree of comprehension of the English language. Multiple intended, as opposed to accidental, deaths maybe; not massacres. How could anyone consider less than 5 deaths to be in the same class as the Christchurch mosque shootings? As for this edit summary, there is absolutely no compulsion to discuss such a change, WP:BOLD means "make the change, if there is disagreement, THEN have a discussion" and reach WP:CONSENSUS. So can anyone justify setting the minimum at anything lower than 5? DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 08:34, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

5 is arbitrary, I would go with RS using the word massacre or similar in a non hyperbolic way ("the commonly called massacres" threshold). It is a very emotive word. "He massacred four people". Sorry just seeing how it sounds. Good luck. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 09:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)).[reply]

You linked massacre, so let me quote that article's definition: "A massacre is a killing, typically of multiple victims, considered morally unacceptable, especially when perpetrated by a group of political actors against defenseless victims."

Your objection is to my reinstatement of the Waikino schoolhouse shooting in 1923 in which two schoolboys died and 6 others were wounded. We have multiple victims (8), morally unacceptable (all unlawful killing is morally unacceptable, but this was even worse, the killing of children), and defenseless victims. You're relying entirely on the death toll of 2, instead of considering the 8 victims in total. Furthermore, the Stuff article in the reference is titled "Revisiting a dark day: A mass school shooting – in New Zealand". Akld guy (talk) 09:12, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Convert to earliest-to-latest order[edit]

The list should be converted from reverse chronological order to earliest-to-latest order. According to Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Chronological ordering, "Chronological lists ... should be in earliest-to-latest chronological order." Nurg (talk) 21:58, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Pukerangiora[edit]

The 1200 casualities lacks a adequate source, I couldn't see that number at all on the linked source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.3.151 (talk) 10:21, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The source says "It is said that twelve hundred of Te Ati-Awa and their allied hapus were killed or captured in the final overthrow of the pa" on page 435. It doesn't give a figure for only those killed, but there were also numerous people killed earlier in the siege. About two hundred of those captured were killed on the following day. This puts the figure in the article in doubt, but it seems clear that this is still one of the most significant massacres in New Zealand history.-gadfium 18:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]