Talk:List of oldest Russian icons

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@Nederlandse Leeuw: "Rus' icon" is used relatively rarely. See for example Ngram. Even if it is "anachronistic", it should be based on the common name. As far as I am aware, most sources would call them Russian icons. The edit summary is also a bit misleading, 1547 refers to when Ivan the Terrible was crowned tsar, and therefore the period of Russian history of when it was officially a "tsardom". Mellk (talk) 16:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mellk Fair enough, perhaps I was too hasty. "rus' icons" is used a few times on Google Scholar, but not nearly as often as "russian icon", even when I try to limit my searches to the pre-14th century period. I guess you're right. You can restore the old name if you want. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:42, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the rationale for moving, probably the changes to the article itself can be left. I guess there is a religious/cultural element to it. For example, the Cross of Saint Euphrosyne would probably be described as a Belarusian relic/symbol. Mellk (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. Given the religious nature of the subject, I myself suspect there is also a strong overlap between "Russian" and "Russian Orthodox(y)" in this case. There is no Rus' Orthodoxy. "russian orthodox icons" still gives hundreds of results, while "rus' orthodox icons" gives zero. Even though it is anachronistic, I guess it is justifiable in this case. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:03, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think generally up to 1240 is safe to use (Kievan) Rus' (with a few exceptions) but afterwards it becomes bit of a gray area with a growing split into "Ruthenian" and "Russian". By the 14th/15th centuries they have pretty much diverged in terms of language. Probably in the context of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania we would probably start to use "Ruthenian" instead, for example. Mellk (talk) 17:30, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]