Talk:List of power metal bands

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Scorpions

I was watching the documentary Metal - A Headbanger's Journey (2005) and it referenced the Scorpions on the top of their list of Power Metal bands. Why is it not on this list? And why isn't it mentioned on the Scorpions page? I'm not an expert in the subject so I didn't take the liberty to add it. In the movie the following bands are listed as power metal: Scorpions, Judas Priest, Rainbow, Accept, Manowar, Dio, Malmsteen?, Helloween, Blind Guardian, HammerFall, and Primal Fear. (I'm a huge Scorpions fan but until now I didn't know what genre they belonged to. Also I'm glad they didn't delete this list, it is very helpful in finding similar styled bands to jam to.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by College.kids (talk • contribs) 20:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dragonforce

I think that the dragonforce should be here. 85.70.61.246 (talk) 11:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nightwish?

I wouldn't exactly call Nightwish a power metal band. More symphonic metal. Apart from some of their songs, like Wishmaster maybe (and even that's just barely power metal). -Gaiacarra 19:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They're neo-classical, which I'd say is an offshoot of power metal. --711groove 11:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually they are pretty standard power metal, and not particularly good either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.112.45 (talk • contribs)

Perhaps a list for inspirations of power metal bands?

Since Iron Maiden and Rainbow keep getting readded to this list maybe it would be better to have 2 lists. One for power metal bands and one for Power Metal influences. I think that could keep everyone happy.

I agree. And someone should listen the bands before adding them here (Axel Rudi Pell, Accept, Dio... power metal??????????????? The list sucks). Im gonna clean that, and more

I'd agree, perhaps there should be some approval process before people can add bands.

I agree as well. There should be the power metal influences, Dio, Accept, Rainbow, Iron Maiden, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Savatage, etc.

Definitely. A list of influences would be a good addition. Prophaniti 15:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That would require a completely separate article. A "list within a list" is not standard for Wikipedia. Anger22 16:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't need to be "within a list" though, it could simply be the list of power metal bands, then the list of those that influenced the genre. See the nu metal bands list for an example in a table system. Prophaniti 18:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please help adding the flags

I would be cool to have all the flags right?

Mmmmm, with the flags it looks a litle gay colored --Neo139 21:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I admire the dedication to adding flags, but I think it's not all that useful. Take a look at list of black metal bands: the country names are in parentheses. Not to mention the flags link to an image, and not the country; and I don't know many of the names of those flags either. I propose to change that to like the black metal list. I might change it later... It'll be daunting, but I have nothing else to do tonight. --Dayn 10:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I like the flags, it gives it some color. --E tac 09:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reformatting the article?

If anyone has seen it, the article listing nu metal bands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nu_metal_musical_groups) is in a different format yet I find it much more helpful and informative, as it gives (in addition to what we already have) whether the band is active, notable albums and even the odd extra point to note. This seems to work better and I am suggesting that this article be redone in that style. Since this would be a big change I thought it best to ask before I do anything. Does anyone either agree or strongly oppose this, with reasons? Prophaniti 15:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I would consider this article better than the nu-metal list; look above for the flags comment I posted. I think the nu-metal page is very unorganised; it's meant to be a list, yet there's no alphabetised sorting. Not to mention erroneous notes which could do better on the band page, and "notable albums" is a matter of opinion, and wouldn't be a neutral point of view. Plus, there's no point to having a list of bands that influenced it either... might as well just make one big list called "list of bands". --Dayn 10:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Excentor

ExcentoR should be on the list! I still don't know why someone deleted them from the list 2 times, they should be added, they're very important in argentina's metal music.

It might have been because they don't have an article. Some metal band lists have red links (i.e. mention bands without articles), some don't. This one seems to be free of any bands without wikipedia articles. If you really feel strongly and believe they are suitable, then I'd suggest forming an article (I've also put this under a new heading since it doesn't relate to my suggestion of reformatting). 17:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Devious Mine

They *are* a self-professed Italian power metal band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.226.214 (talk) 09:18, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Classification of metal bands in general

I'm placing this discussion point on a number of different lists of metal bands of differing genres, because it's a general point addressing many of them as a whole. I watch a number of metal band lists, and see an awful lot of reverting back and forth, often due to debate about what genre a band is. Think of this point as a kind of appeal for sanity. If in doubt about a bands genre, check their wikipedia article. If they don't have one, either make one if you think they should, or take whatever sources (e.g. the bands homepage) you might normally use in such an article. But ultimately the point of this is the wikipedia articles are the first and usually last place of reference. If you feel the classification of a band if wrong, then take that to the article in question, do not start having revert wars on the lists, going back and forth. If you feel that a band is wrongly classified, then go and debate that on their page, where there are likely more people who have something to say on the matter, and where it will need changing anyway if at all. It's confusing if the lists give one genre and the main articles another. If you have a good case for the genre being changed, then you should be able to do so on the main article of the band, and then you'll have every right to change the list article too. If we just accept that the main articles for bands are the primary point of reference for their genre, then things become a lot simpler. Someone's removed a band from the gothic metal list and you think it's not right? Go check the article. If it clearly says they're gothic metal, even in part, at some point during their career, or have influences of that, then there you go. No one can argue with that, and if they wish to they will have to take it to the main article. The lists are there to refer people to bands based on genre, they are not the place to debate genre in the first place. There will always be basic vandalism of course, but if people take note of this point I'd hope it might lessen all this silly waring over genre. Thank you. Prophaniti 17:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Few Thing

Power Quest isn't even a metal band much less a power metal band. Agent Steel is thrash metal and Armored Saint is just heavy metal. In my opinion Rainbow started power metal...Dio era of course and I'll back up my argument. Rising and Long Live Rock N Roll had operatic vocals, epic songs, fast songs, fantasy themes, neo classical guitar, keyboards, guitar harmonies, orchestras, double bass ect. When Stratovarius covered Kill The King it sounded like it could have been one of there songs and when Helloween wrote the song Save Us they took a few riffs from Kill The King. That is my argument for Rainbow. I really think they should be added. Those things are found in power metal there for the genre would not have been possible without Rainbow. Almost every power metal guitarist was influenced by Blackmore and almost every power metal singer cites Dio as an influence.

There are so many things wrong with these arguments it isnt even funny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.112.45 (talk • contribs)

Removing Bands

I've removed bands that have no mention of power metal on their page. If you think a band should belong here, check if their article lists it. If not, take the genre issue up on that page before adding it here. I'm also going to add a few more bands that aren't here, yet have power metal listed under their genre among others, like Children of Bodom. --Dayn 12:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Iron Maiden

Should they be included on this list, pretty much every power metal band is heavily influenced by them. --E tac 09:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I think they belong here so I added them. --E tac 09:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Iron Maiden do not list power metal on their page, hence should not be added. Just because a band is influential, doesn't mean it should be listed. Besides, many bands may not be influenced by them. I mean, some progressive rock bands are influential to Opeth. Yes is influential to Dream Theater, yet Yes aren't listed in any metal lists. --Dayn 12:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Thats because Yes is not metal. I would say that Iron Maiden itself is an early power metal band, so is Rainbow. --E tac 12:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You could say that, but that would be for a discussion on the Iron Maiden page. If you can get that genre added, go for it. But as it stands, this is a list of power metal bands, and not the genre's influences. --Dayn 13:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Pantera

Didn't pantera also play power metal in the beginning of their career.--85.166.165.41 22:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well going by Wikipedia's own articles, it says glam metal in the beginning. --Dayn 03:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Epica and After Forever not Power Metal

I see that they are sometimes listed on the Power Metal list. I can say right here and know I listen to both bands and they don't have one thing about them that is Power Metal.

First Epica. Where is the guitar solo that you find in Power Metal? How about the epic fantasy songs? Or the cheese Lryics that are sometimes found in Power Metal music. The first one they don't have guitar solos if any at all. And the ones that you would hear don't really count as Power Metal guitar solos. As for the epic fantasy songs. Again there is no fantasy song on either of there CD. No Cry for the Moon is not any epic fantasy song. The song is about the Catholic church. Then there is "Façade of Reality" any one want to take a guess as to what this song is about? Give up it's about 9/11.

"Run for a Fall" is about Marks old band and so on. And that's just form there first CD.

Moving on to AF if any one would read up there history they started out as a Death Metal band. And not one of there songs is in the relam of Power Metal much of it has to do with ever day things. On top of that Invisible Circles is a concept album, dealing with issues involved when having children. How many Power Metal bands would write a album about that? How is that CD happy?

Please do not list either band as Power Metal ever again. They have nothing to do with Genre Truemetalfan March 20, 2007

Maybe ditch the State flags

It's really messy and you can't tell at a glance what country a band is from quickly. It's a lot easier without the state flags and just keeping the national flags, like the other metal band lists I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.210.9 (talk) 15:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Powerwolf

I'm adding Powerwolf to the article since I only created their page a few days ago, and they are clearly Power Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Narian (talk • contribs) 14:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Power metal list and category

I think a comparison should be made between the bands on this list and the bands on the category page. Some effort should be made to crosswalk the two. I'll go ahead and start doing that. Incidentally, I'm going to remove bands from the list whose WP page doesn't list power metal in their genres (e.g. Accept). --Managerpants (talk) 13:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up: After a LOT of work, I have completed crosswalking the list and the category, so they both match now. N.B. I removed bands from the list whose notability was being questioned on their WP page. If notability is established, then they can be re-added. That will save some of the redlink cleanup. Meanwhile, if you're going to add a band to this list, make sure of the following:

They have a WP page and are notable
The genre list on their WP page includes power metal
Their WP page includes the power metal category at the bottom; if it doesn't, go ahead and add it (assuming #1 & #2 are both already valid).

That should keep this list in good order! --Managerpants (talk) 14:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good job! I hope that will help settle some things here because as we all know, we hate removing all these bands that are blue linked that come on here but in one week they are already red or even speedied the same day. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 18:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you sir! And yes, I'm totally with you on that. There is a staggering number of bands with stub articles that are in danger of being deleted for notability. I wish people would create a good article for one band, rather than stub articles for ten bands. --Managerpants (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you ought to look at the contributions of User:Chubbles when you reflect on your last comment. 156.34.219.91 (talk) 19:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right, and that is exactly the kind of thing I don't like to see. Articles like those don't help readers to learn anything about a band, other than their existence. --Managerpants (talk) 20:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to be a bee in your bonnet. Looking forward to seeing the notable band pages improved. Chubbles (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, so am I. --Managerpants (talk) 00:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm deleting Therion as a band's appearence on the list does not meet the demandings of proposal and the band isn't power metal at all either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.152.11 (talk) 05:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force

Rising Force is a band fronted by Yngwie Malmsteen although it doesn't have an article so... −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 17:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I came upon that too... I figured that until they get their own article, Yngwie shouldn't be on the list. --Managerpants (talk) 17:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

I know many, (if not all of you) are incredibly tired of people adding bands with no articles to these lists, especially, along with links that are blue but are disambiguation pages or something else along with not even being the "x" genre of metal it's supposed to be. I was thinking of making a rule box or something similar like a section for it, instead of it being with the context/intro. For example, bands that are added because the editor wants an article on them very badly, people who just look over our (damned) comments, the people that don't check their links for the right article and those links that lead to disamb pages that don't have the band or you would have to make a huge search for the band and the bands that are not even part of the genre. If there was a "master list" that I know of where all editors that edit these lists would see it, then it would've been better to put this there and as there are many metal lists it would be insane to put them all over which I might want to do anyway if you accept my proposal or better yet show you here and you decide how we should go along with it and to fight those that add redlinks and remove bands they dislike, etc. Something must be done and I thought those hidden comments were enough and it's clearly not. I also think this would make a good explanation to editors who do this type of thing as a warning on their talk pages which is an action we can partake. Here is my proposal below:

This will be part of the introduction to an editor for his warning:
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to add bands to this list, the last band you added was a red-link, was not the intended article or has notability concerns on it's article page. Hereby you must follow to these guidelines for band inclusion to this list:

Article rules/warning explanation:
Bands without articles will hastily be removed from these lists. This list is not merely the place for you to add bands of the style that you want an article for, this is a list of "x" bands with articles nothing more. You can do this exactly at Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/Performers and bands but they must pass WP:MUSIC to be acceptable here. Also, please click the "show preview" button next to the "save page" button to check your article links before adding them here and that you also have the right band that plays the genre. This is not of your personal opinion of what the band actually plays, the band's genre must have been approved either by verifiability with other editors or sources stated in that respective article. Also, make sure a band is notable, if a band is being questioned for notability has a notability tag at the top of the page then it should not be added to this list, wait awhile and re-add them when the notability of the band has been established. Please make sure bands are alphabetised and that the formatting is consistent with the other bands before adding them. Thank you.

I hope this proposal goes well. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 05:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yo, I like the idea man. But how is this going to trigger? is it like all HTML'd and stuff I don't understand or is it some person who catched the person themselves? I would like though, one thing, if the band added is a 'red' link and a death metal band...if that band is notable, I think we should create a 'death metal article to be made list' so that all the notable bands go on wikipedia. My last header, was saying this, I don't think we should just delete bands becuase the wikipedians before us haven't bothered to get information and make a dam article for them, do we?

Also, this way you get notable bands, becuase of wikifacists like speedy deletion service jeps the dam articles you make, just becuase you translate the biography into english and change a few sentences and that somehow interfers with G what the fuck O laws. Bullshit. Anyway, yeah nice idea, but ant going to work...you still going to have fags that think Bullet for my valentine are metal.

METALFREAK04 (talk) 14:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well it would be like User warning templates, if you catch them you warn them and if they persist well... I never thought of that but they would keep on being reverted until the link is blue, that's for sure. And of course, if a band is surely notable we'll have a list here (wouldn't make sense to have a death metal band article to be made list anyways (and would have to start with "Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/. . .")) for them (which I'm not sure can stay up here, as this page would need to get archived within time) and also at the request article link I provided. Also, the amount of editors we will need will be like the size of a taskforce (albeit small one) for this to be carried out well. I've been thinking I should really add this to all the other lists.

All I ask for is for people like you and everyone who edits these lists help in notifying these type of users. If that can be done then that's the least you could do for these lists. Have hope, and let's make an example for them. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 06:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm skeptical as to how all of this will work, but it sounds like a good idea. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 21:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

bold print

there should be a mention as to why some of the bands' names are in bold.190.58.3.169 (talk) 22:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Click 'em. There's a [show] link on the right of each bold name that opens up their discography.

There is? I don't see anything after their names. dmyersturnbull ⇒ talk 22:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

armored saint

im removing armored saint as they are most definetly are not power metal at all. 68.103.28.224 (talk) 18:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At least with some controversy?

I'm confused with this sentence that contains the phrase: "At least with some controversy" and I'm wondering what's the reason for it being there. Can someone explain? because many bands have controversy on what genres they are but Wikipedia relies on sources for that unless the band is a "Cradle of Filth" then that's where things get a bit messy. Not too many bands in power metal have such controversy and it seems to me that's only the opinion of an editor of what is power metal or not that added this for some bands such as Nightwish for instance. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 05:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NeonFly ?

Can i add a UK band called NeonFly ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MothandMoon (talk • contribs) 07:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, it will just be reverted because the band doesn't have an article. The hidden comments at the top of each letter section (when you edit) warn you of this so keep the links blue (with actual band articles behind them). FireCrystal (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Albums

Is it worth going through and adding the sub menus that contain album lists for every band? A lot of them don't have actual articles to link to, some only have partial articles (i.e. articles for some albums but not others), and I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to list them all, rather than just a few of the bands.

Unless I'm missing something and there is a reason only select bands have album listings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.193.1.181 (talk) 03:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ReinXeed

I think that this band plays power metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.18.93.94 (talk) 04:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flags

The flags are not a relatively ~~undefined~~undefining characteristic of these artists. As such, it seems that WP:FLAGICON would apply here.Curb Chain (talk) 21:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

heathen power metal?

heathen are not power metal should be removed from this list. Diogo t. alvim (talk)

13:55, 8 October 2011 (utc)

On sourcing

Do not use Metalstorm or Metal Archives for citations; they fail WP:RS, as do all of the other webzines. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

power/thrash metal

why the hell this heathen that list many other bands have much more to do with such power metal iced earth, flotsam and jetsam, metal church, meliah rage, Powermad . Diogo t. alvim (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2011 (utc)

It's there because it's reliably sourced, simple as. Inclusion or exclusion on any basis apart from sourcing would contravene WP:NPOV. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

american power metal

why American bands are being excluded Helstar, Liege Lord, Vicious Rumors, meliah rage, Savage Grace, Jag Panzer, Warlord. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diogo t. alvim (talk • contribs) 20:29, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have not checked the changes, but the answer to you question probably lies in weather the source is reliable or not.Curb Chain (talk) 01:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

article completely incomplete

lack many bands in this article running wild, grave digger, scanner, vicious rumors, Warlord who are constantly being deleted .Diogo t. alvim (talk) 12:59, 15 October 2011 (utc)

Well then there probably are no reliable sources to categorize these artists as having played power metal.Curb Chain (talk) 19:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is, as are all others, a work in progress. If you want bands added to the list, find sources that pass WP:RS and add them (that discounts things like Metal Archives and Metalstorm); please try and format them correctly when you find them as well... there are now plenty of examples of how to do this. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:58, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to add to this list Grave Digger, Scanner, vicious rumors, riot Blackmetalbaz is a stupid delete instead of bands that are not power metal after forever, epica, Heathen. Diogo t. alvim —Preceding undated comment added 01:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC).[reply]

You might like to think that I am "a stupid"; I couldn't possibly comment. However, please do not add bands to the list unless you have provided a reliable source to justify their inclusion. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Epica and After Forever not Power Metal

Please delete after forever, epica the list they are not power metal or power metal and at least mentioned in their pages. Diogo t. alvim —Preceding undated comment added 15:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Human Fortress

I think the band "Human Fortress" should be here because it's known that it's Power Metal and it has guitar solos, epic songs and so — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.86.168.21 (talk) 21:29, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ALMAh

The band ALMAh should be in this list. 201.51.29.6 (talk)

Aside from the fact that (WP not being a webzine) you need to type-set it as Almah, that's fine... just find a source and add it. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Protection?

Does this page need protection? I would support indefinite (semi)protection.Curb Chain (talk) 17:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What would be ideal would be the protection of all list articles from unsourced additions. I'm not sure how practicable that is though. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:16, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Semiprotection would be the solution. The unsourced additions are from ips exclusively, over the almost the year I've been watching this page. X Japan has been repeated added; I am sure this will solve the problem.Curb Chain (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, I just found a source for that. Never heard the band, but Revolver passes WP:RS. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Iron Maiden

Does anyone find it strange that Judas Priest is listed and Iron Maiden isn't? Im sure its not hard to find references for Iron Maiden as power metal. I don't really see what would make Judas Priest power metal and not Iron Maiden. 174.230.128.9 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:16, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New formatting

Anyone think we could improve the general setup of the list? How about something like List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees, with a table, images, and sortable columns? (okay maybe not images, but a sortable list with additional data like formation year and country of origin could be nice) Vortiene (talk) 03:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

to clarify, as i've just noticed the article had a nice format, List of heavy metal bands has a nice setup. I can modify the page to adopt this setup if a good idea. Vortiene (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

if no one has objections after a day or two I will simply format the article the same way as the above exampleVortiene (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the change is now implemented, please work with this format and add information in the "brief summary" section that is readily available on the band's article. Vortiene (talk) 08:22, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to the new layout, but have just had to remove a significant number of bands as for some reason, in my absence, people have forgotten that you can't include bands in list articles without at least one reference in a reliable source. That doesn't include the band's own website or Metal Archives (or any other webzine that doesn't have their content commercially published by a third party elsewhere). Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All the bands added would not have articles if they didn't satisfy the requirement of having reliable sources. However, I do realize sources used specifically on the list page may not have been the specific reliable resources that uphold the articles in the first place, so I will grab the reliable ones and make sure the bands remain on the list. Please don't remove so much content from the list due to the sources not being reliable. Instead, look for a reliable resource for a band that doesn't have a good resource currently, if there isn't one readily available, remove the band in question. Help me out here because I don't want to simply cut from the list so quickly when these band articles are satisfying notability (which means they have to have some reliable resources) Vortiene (talk) 23:50, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Er, sorry, no. If you don't have a reliable source explicitly stating the band plays (or has played) power metal, they should be, and will be, removed from the list, as per *very* long standing consensus. The bands concerned may well be notable enough to have their own articles, and I imagine sources are to be found in those articles to justify their existence, but there is no reason whatsoever to assume that reliable sources exist to assign them to the genre of power metal. Whilst I'm here, can I point out that the "brief description" part of this list at present consists exclusively of original research; it all needs sourcing or should be removed. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 14:05, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The goal is expansion on wikipedia, so we should work towards including bands that fit the criteria, not removing bands. If there is an article, information, and references available, adding the band should be the goal, not removing them. If a reference isn't cutting it, the first step should be to fix the reference, not delete the band so no one else can fix it either. You could even message me listing the bands you want to be fixed. We should be working together to improve the article, not removing from the article continuously. Vortiene (talk) 16:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You have apparently misunderstood the purpose of Wikipedia in general, and band list articles in particular. The "goal" is not to expand the list, nor is it to reduce it. The goal is to maintain a list of bands that have been described in the reliable music press as playing power metal in this case. These list articles became a huge problem a couple of years ago, with people adding to them whatever they thought qualified, despite a lack of sourcing. The now very long-standing consensus for all band lists is that a band may not be included in the list unless an appropriate reference is provided to justify that inclusion. The burden is on the editor that wishes to include a band to provide that source, and it is totally inappropriate to include bands without a source and argue that they will be forthcoming - that's just not how Wikipedia works. I'm not saying anything remotely controversial here. My point about original research remains unanswered, by the way. I am happy to work with other editors to improve any article, but you need to follow consensus, unless you have a very compelling argument to suggest consensus should change. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. You have just "fixed" Borealis to include a source from their record label. No dice. Please, please read WP:RS before continuing. The band themselves or their record company are not third party and so clearly fail WP:RS. I'm not going to correct any more of these (don't want to get into WP:3RR but will contact some admins. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, alright, let me remove them Vortiene (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Before you get too annoyed, is this a reasonable source to use for Borealis? [1] It's from Canadian magazine Brave Words and Bloody Knuckles. Vortiene (talk) 18:40, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. Sorry if I come across as grumpy, it's just that we spent months taking the list articles from being total garbage to being really decently sourced, and I wouldn't like them to slip back into being rubbish again. I totally appreciate your efforts here. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I actually purchased this book [2] recently, although I don't have it with me at the moment, I will update the list with bands within the book in the near future (1-2 months), and add descriptions using it as a source. This should provide reliable sources for many bands already there as well, if they have some iffy sources. There are similar books for other genres as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vortiene (talk • contribs)

Who's in?

Winter's Verge is not, since the reference added here is from some zine, not from a reliable source. I'm reverting. Drmies (talk) 23:27, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll notify the guy who really wanted to add them to the list and see if he can find a better source. Vortiene (talk) 23:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of references, is PowerMetal.de a reasonable source? As far as I can see on their website it is similar to roadrunnerecords reviews and such where there is an editing team ensuring quality of article content. Vortiene (talk) 19:44, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Powermetal.de is published by a third party and has a professional staff. It is perfectly acceptable. Note that while English language sources are preferred, if the site provides info not available on English language sources then it is allowable.--¿3family6 _contribs 03:20, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, bands such as Holy Knights, Winter's Verge, highland glory, and rebellion which were recently removed could be added to the list again since there are news pieces related to them archived on powermetal.de (I will do this momentarily). Still looking for sources for Sequester and Keldian (these were removed), although sequester is quite underground while keldian is emerging only recently to a wider audience.

Adding More Bands (Completed)

I've got a reliable source, the A-Z of Power Metal book, will begin adding bands that have articles on wikipedia that aren't currently in the list if I find them within this book (and they seem suitable in their classification as power metal), using the book as a citation. I'm going to add this reference to the band pages as well. Vortiene (talk) 23:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have now added every band within the A-Z of Power Metal book that has a reasonably fleshed out article (avoided the few bands who only had stub pages). The list now should contain almost every power metal band (on wikipedia) that rose to notability prior to 2003 (the year A-Z of Power Metal was published). There are some bands, like Keldian, who rose more recently, these newer bands still need good references in order to be put on the list. Vortiene (talk) 09:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

These ones have to be added as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Courage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Kingdom_(band) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insania_(schwedische_Band) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoulSpell https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saidian https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_(%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%80%D1%82) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arida_Vortex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.47.179.253 (talk) 09:42, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Only band there that has sources marking them as power metal already and is on English wikipedia is Grand Courage. You can add them if you like, I'm not stopping you. Vortiene (talk) 19:56, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bands that haven't been added

If they don't have a page yet, you should consider writing a page for the band. Vortiene (talk) 22:39, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Victorius

I recently discovered Victorius. From what I could find, they're a German band singing in English. Official website. They're not mentioned on Victorius either. Edit: I just found they have a Wikipedia page in German. -501stGhost (talk) 09:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]