Talk:List of prisoners released by Israel in the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange

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Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: now moot Kotniski (talk) 14:08, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of Palestinian prisoners exchanged for Gilad Shalit → List of Palestinian and Israeli-Arab prisoners exchanged for Gilad Shalit – we need to choose the more informative name because also Israeli-Arabs were released as part of this deal. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 16:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose due to discussion below. Seems that there is consensus for a name other than the one requested by this move. Cliff (talk) 04:11, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Extra info[edit]

Wouldn't it be added value if a column would be added that says which organisation they belong to: Hamas, Fatah, PLO or another group like that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.123.72.153 (talk) 20:23, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sound like a good idea. If no one objects to this I would go ahead and add this column by tomorrow. Another important feature which should be added is the ability to sort the dates in ascending / descending order – adding this feature would be a bit time consuming and therefore I would appreciate any help on this matter but if no one can help I would certainly add this feature to this page by myself as soon as I can.TheCuriousGnome (talk) 21:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I added the "Organization Affiliation" column. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 21:41, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The "Date of Arrest" column is now sortable. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 13:30, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the option to sort the data according to the "sentence" column. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 16:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Israeli list has an identity number for each person, and the people are numbered in the order of their release. Also there is more info on the crimes for which they were sentenced (listed under "Sent"). It would be helpful if any of that information is added. www.scribd.com/doc/70137831/List-of-Prisoners-Released-by-Israel-10-15-11-v1 Labellesanslebete (talk) 21:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Second phase: Prisoners to be released on December 2011[edit]

Has the list of the 550 prisoners to be released next December already been published in the media? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 15:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. -- Y not? 17:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
PTBNL lol -- Y not? 20:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

What about the Jordanian and the Ukrainian? Shouldn't we move to something like List of prisoners exchanged by Israel for Gilad Shalit? -- Y not? 17:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support that, since the current title is a bit of a mouthful. GabrielF (talk) 19:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of these options...?

TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:22, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like repeating the word exchange twice, as in your third option. I think the first option is probably the best stylistically and also matches the wording of the main article Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange. GabrielF (talk) 19:25, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I like mine as less wordy. All of TheCuriousGnome's are extra-wordy and repeat the word prisoner. -- Y not? 20:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer the form List of prisoners released by Israel in the <name of the event> because this form sounds more encyclopedic in my opinion. As such, the name we would end up choosing here for the event itself should eventually determine the final name we use for this article as well:
In my opinion, either List of prisoners released by Israel in the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange OR List of prisoners released by Israel in the 2011 Israel–Hamas prisoner exchange TheCuriousGnome (talk) 22:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, agree to match to the parent article. -- Y not? 22:38, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Affiliation[edit]

Do we need the column? Seems like it will be mostly incomplete forever, and not very interesting, especially for some of the guys in jail since the 80s and 90s. I'd like to delete, table big enough as it is. Thoughts? -- Y not? 17:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose. The affiliation of the perpetrators is a very important fact which should be mentioned here mainly because these are mostly the organizations whom organized the attacks these individuals carried out. Do you suggest we should also remove the mentioning of Al Qaeda from the September 11 attacks article? In my opinion, in the specific cases in which the assailants did not belong to any organization, we should simply write "none". TheCuriousGnome (talk) 17:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest removing Nazism from the WWII article lol. I think the affiliation of these guys is not very relevant. I think they're just Arabs who like killing Jews. And I also think the that boundaries between Tanzim, PFLP, PIJ, Hamas, and whatever else are pretty washed out, just as they were pre-48 between Irgun, Lechi and Palmach. Plus affiliation is subject to evolution. If the thing is so important for some reason, it is either discussed in the article for the specific attack, if it was a notable attack, or you can mention it in the rightmost column. But for the majority of this list, the affiliation column will remain blank - we just don't know, or they were unaffiliated. -- Y not? 20:35, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What about the similar list articles involving Jewish paramilitary fighters in the British Mandate for Palestine - would you rather, for example, we not specify that the affiliation of Avraham Stern was the Irgun because the boundaries between the various paramilitary groups was pretty washed out? In any case, are there any other users who think that you should remove the "Affiliation" column? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 22:34, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Stern was the founder of Lechi. Like I said above, a list like this one can easily omit affiliation. if Stern appeared in a list, I would note his founding of the Lechi in comment field. -- Y not? 22:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, what do you think about a similar solution, which would be implemented as a compromise solution to our difference of opinions on this matter - namely, deleting the "Organization Affiliation" column BUT moving any existing mentioning of the prisoners' affiliation to the "Notes" column. What do you think? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 00:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ya sure, if it's cited. A neater table. And give some more pixels to the rightmost column. Gonna fill it up over the next months and years as much as I can. -- Y not? 19:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Great. I'll implement these changes as soon as possible. I must say I really appreciate your many contributions to this article. Good luck! TheCuriousGnome (talk) 20:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kafr Na'ma[edit]

Do we have a Wikipedia article for this place? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 18:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Official English name of this place seems to have been lost in translation. I made the correction. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling[edit]

We should get an Arabic speaker to standardize those names. There's a million ways to romanize Arabic and the list we have, which came from the Israeli government, has the same Arabic names spelled seven different ways. Would need to have them re-romanized consistently. -- Y not? 20:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Add a convictions column?[edit]

Shall we add a column listing the offenses each was convicted of, based on the link provided above by Labellesanslebete? -- Y not? 20:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The table is already very large. For this reason, I prefer that this information would be added to the "Notes" column. What do you think? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 21:31, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Younis Jahjouh[edit]

It was reported that Younis Jahjouh (21) was released in the deal, and later killed in the August 2013 Qalandiya incident (source: Ynet). I can't find his name in the article or the Hebrew language prisoner list. Any ideas anyone? DGtal (talk) 13:48, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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