Talk:List of songs in Rock Band/Archive 1

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Page needing protection?

The page just underent several vandalism edits in a row with no reversions, so I took action myself. Apologies if I messed up anything in the process, but just doing what I thought was best. It might be best for the page to become protected to deter such efforts of vandals, but I honestly don't know the procedure behind it.76.10.6.220 22:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I made a request for page protection and it looks like it has been done. the protection is very inaccurate and noone should purchase these downloads. lightsup55 03:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protected - :) - Alison ^❤ 03:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Downloadable content prices - PSN

This is kind of nitpicky, but is there a reason that the DLC prices are listed at $1.99? Given that they cost 160 points, they should be $2 flat. I believe PSN also restricts purchases to $1 increments, but I could be wrong. 129.186.146.73 (talk) 17:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Downloadable content for Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (song list) on PSN costs $6.25 USD. Check the references in that article if you don't believe me. lightsup55 (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no minimum increment for PSN purchases. 164.107.154.255 (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Really, you buy points based on prices and all the songs are listed by points so the monetary figures shouldn't apply to downloading as you can't buy one song whenever you want, just points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.66.201 (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Not on the PS3. --Magus05 ^(talk) 10:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Multipacks not listed in Single Song list as well?

Is there ever going to be a time where multipacks aren't available as single songs as well? Because if so, then the songs that are available for download separately should be listed in the single song sets. Boomshine (talk) 04:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

This is actually a bit of an eyesore; why not simply state that all packs are available as single-song downloads as well? If the situation changes, it can simply be re-edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.79.5 (talk) 19:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. It was announced all packs can be downloaded by individual tracks. The list of individual songs is already an eyesore, and will only become more so as time goes on. If no decision is made, or nobody else does it, I will do this once the next set of DLC is announced. Bakkster Man (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Just keep in mind that individual songs "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival, "Juke Box Hero" by Foreigner, "Bang a Gong (Get It On)" by T.Rex, "My Sharona" by The Knack, "Cherry Bomb" by The Runaways, and "Joker & the Thief" by Wolfmother are the only songs that are NOT available in any pack (currently). lightsup55 ( T | C ) 20:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I have removed all songs from the single list that are available within packs. Hopefully this will keep the list manageable. Bakkster Man (talk) 06:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Clean up song list

All I want to see done (because I tried and screwed it up somehow) is to have the main setlist sorted by decade, as seen in http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/830/830709p1.html, which i think is the source page anyway for that info.

71.15.113.99 03:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC) El Jefe (new to wiki editing)71.15.113.99 03:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

We've considered listing songs by decade previously, but felt that it wouldn't be an appropriate listing. Also, note that we have an official link to the Rockband.com site for the song list already, we don't need to add another one as well. --MASEM 03:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Including Tier information in songlists

I'm wondering if a sortable table may be appropriate for the main set list, with columns to sort by the tiers each song is in in solo play guitar, drum, and mic tours. Default order would still be alphabetically, and we'd need to use css hidden fields to get each tier order correct, but its definitely doable. Possibly add in the decade as a previous talk page comment suggested, and also how the game classifies the difficulty of the songs (when you go into quickplay). Ok, now it's sounding a bit too much gameguide-ish, so obviously lets see if this is even a good idea before going to modify the list. :) --MASEM 16:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I think its a great idea. Some reference to the tiers should definitely be made. Lnkinprk777 17:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That would take up more space than needed because each tier for each instrument is not the same but they are the same songs. A song list rather than tier list for each instrument is more appropriate.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.66.201 (talk) 13:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

We are not advocating a tier list, we are talking about a table, which would take up the same length on the page as a song list. So I say whoever feels like taking the initiative should go ahead. Lnkinprk777 (talk) 21:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen anybody openly opposing the inclusion of tier information on the song list, so unless anybody wants to further discuss it, I'm thinking that today sometime I'll put together the Tiers for the In-Game songs. I have a small portion of the DLC, and could include what I have, but since there's certain nuances (such as Track Packs) that would throw things off I feel that further discussion is needed on how to set up the DLC tiering. I've renamed this section to make it more clear what the "suggestion" is. TRTX (talk) 16:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I say do it. Band World Tour on the PS2 has a different approach on the songs though. Although it is kinda going towards a game guidish thing, what is the difference between that and the different songs on the co-op career on Guitar Hero 3? Just because a bass is added. Like I said, 'just do it'. Neon6419 (talk) 22:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I think this would be incredibly helpful, especially for DLC. I know one of the first things people always ask is "How hard is a song". The only drawback is not everybody downloads every song, so there will be gaps in the list depending on who happens to stop by to edit. But since the songs are already seperated (Tour List, Bonus Songs, DLC) we could keep that seperation and just put a warning that DLC tiers may not be complete. As far as the CSS to keep the tiers in order, perhaps don't use the actual tier names (Warmup, Nightmare, etc) and instead go with numbers. Or something like "Tier 1 (Warmup)". I could make the changes to one section (such as the default setlist) and we can see how it looks from there. TRTX (talk) 15:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

So is someone putting this together? I created a page with a table where the first column contained the tier (i.e. Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, etc.) and the header contained the instrument (guitar, drums, vocal) and each cell in the table listed what song was for what instrument per tier. The page was taken offline and redirected to this page because there's discussion here, but if I can't get that page completed, can someone update this page please? This tiered information exists no where on the internet. Ductruong (talk) 22:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)ductruong

"This tiered information exists no where on the internet." - Wikipedia is not a platform for original research, nor game guides. The fact that it's nowhere online is an argument against including it here. Also, nobody has proposed a way to include this info that's not overly cumbersome (see the suggested tables a few sections down). I wouldn't be strongly opposed to including the info if we could do it in such a way that it's not a wall of text and isn't a huge table. Oren0 (talk) 22:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

While it may lean towards guide...I don't think it's original research, as the Tiering information isn't something hidden. People are always online asking "What difficulty is ___?" in regards to DLC. This would be very useful. TRTX (talk) 17:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I modified the table to include sortable tiered information. Technically the table is physically smaller than the older version as the previous table had quite a bit of unneeded wasted space. Hopefully the additional columns do not clutter the page. I have received several comments about the usefulness regarding the utility of the data, so hopefully the Wiki community will find this update I made acceptable. I did additional research and have found that this information does exist in rockband.com, but it has to be mined in order to view it comprehensively. If needed, I can cite the resource I used for this information.Ductruong (talk) 03:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)ductruong

The DLC table is completely broken. A few of the sort links take you back to the top of the page, and those that do sort completely break the table. I think it needs be reverted back to it's previous format until something better can be decided on. In the meantime, I've expanded the on-disc lists back to 80% and explained the tiers, it's less crammed together and looks better that way. TRTX (talk) 17:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it. An overanxious editor combined rows without testing how the sorting would be impacted. Oren0 (talk) 19:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. I've got a few of the songs that are missing Tier information, if they're not updated when I get back to my 360 I'll update those. TRTX (talk) 19:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Where can the tier list information be found outside of Wikipedia (E.G. The original source)? 74.94.99.17 (talk) 22:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

This is where there is some discussion as to if it's original research or not. However, the game itself can be cited as a source, similiar to how the listings use the game's Artist/Title info even if it disagrees with the Artist/Title as it appears on an album. TRTX (talk) 05:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

In my estimation the tier info crosses a WP:GAMEGUIDE line that most video game related articles do not. I'm an inclusionist in general, so I have no problem with it staying (I've even helped fill it in). But if their comes a time when someone challenges the info, I'd guess the consensus of outside editors would be to remove it. Oren0 (talk) 07:10, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Have there been similiar discussions on the GH boards regarding tiers? If you look at song lists for those games the songs are listed by their tier, which is pulled directly from the game. These aren't fan-generated tiers like those you often see for fighting games. These are defined by the game creators and openly available on-disc. TRTX (talk) 17:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to all the wiki editors for the inclusion of tier information. None of this information is unique to wikipedia; in fact each song is previewed in rockband.com with a gameplay video, which also provides the tier information.Ductruong (talk) 04:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)ductruong

If possible, can you grab the link(s) to that? If it's put together by Harmonix officially, it would be a citeable reference. And depending on how discussions go for inclusion of Tier, it may be valuable to have that reference if we end up deciding to remove it later, and provide that link instead. (Labeled as additional tiering information) TRTX (talk) 19:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I've added the bass tier difficulties. These can be found by viewing the solo leaderboards for bass. I don't have all the downloadeable songs, so I've marked the unknowns with a Tier ? --Damienroc (talk) 07:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realize Bass/Guitar differed. I'm going to move the Bass to be next to the Guitar. Also, if you don't know what the Tier is, please leave these columns blank and mark the table as incomplete. This will make it easier for other users to recognize what information is missing. TRTX (talk) 17:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Downloadable content release date mix-up

It seems that many users here keep changing the dates for when the downloadable content was released. I.E. December 4th becomes December 6th. So my question here is this:

Was some of the downloadable content on the Xbox 360 released earlier than the PlayStation 3?

I can't answer that on my own I as I don't currently own a PlayStation 3.

If anyone can find some sources that state the downloadable content being released a day or more after already been released on the Xbox 360, then both dates should be noted in the main article.

lightsup55 ( T | C ) 01:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The content comes out every Tuesday for Xbox 360 and the PS3 update has been anywhere from Wednesday to Friday, but the PS3 release dates are not announced beforehand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.86.252.153 (talk) 01:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's some links for verification:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/psn-thursday/playstation-store-update-move-up-ladies-330919.php - Black Sabbath Pack released Thursday http://kotaku.com/gaming/psn-thursday/playstation-store-update-pain-brought-328153.php - David Bowie pack released Thursday http://kotaku.com/gaming/playstation-3/playstation-store-update-smash-your-head-on-the-punk-rock-333587.php - Punk Pack released Thursday (today)

I don't know how to edit Wikipedia articles properly so I'll let someone else do that work but there are 3 references for dates. The original releases (Police and Metallica packs, 6 extra songs) were available on 11/20, the same day as the Xbox counterparts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evohndahl (talk • contribs) 07:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Release for XBox 360 has been Tuesday every week. On the PS3 the date changes depending on when Sony updates the PSN store. This is usually Thursday. Bakkster Man (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing of Songs

The beginning of this list says that "All songs with strong language are edited." This seems vague, especially since the lists of songs in Guitar Hero identify which songs have been edited. Does anyone know the specific songs which have been edited? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.64.196 (talk) 00:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Full Album Pack Sourcing?

The page lists "Californication" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Game Theory" by the Roots, and "Rust in Peace" by Megadeth as future downloadable album packs. I've searched for this on Google and haven't found anything indicating that these albums will be released in Rock Band. Does someone have a source for this? Did someone from Harmonix perhaps add these in, or was someone just being hopeful? I'd recommend removing this until we have some confirmation. It was most likely a vandal.

Leshrac55 (talk) 22:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Censorship section?

Why is this necessary? Not only is it unsourced and seemingly original research, but I don't know who cares or why it's encyclopedic information. Does the entry for every film contain a section for the edited language when it's broadcast on TV? Does the entry for every album list the "radio edits" made to songs? Oren0 (talk) 20:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with this comment. I am grateful for the edits, but there is no reason to post the explicit text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.90.14 (talk) 22:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. I find the information useful, and I know personally that some people prefer to sing the original lyrics (which typically don't throw the game off too much). This isn't a "film" or the "radio"... it IS an encyclopedia, meant to contain as much relevant information pertaining to something as possible. You will often see mention of changes made to edited films and songs in reviews and other places (such as Wikipedia). This should be no different. Leshrac55 (talk) 23:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I clarified what I meant above. The WP articles for these things don't generally list censorship details like that because they're unencyclopedic and irrelevant. Just because something is useful doesn't mean it's worthy of inclusion. Not to mention that it's still all unsourced anyway. Oren0 (talk) 02:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the fact that Rock Band uses radio edits of songs is relevant and should be included (not sure if i'd call it Censorship as these radio edits already exist). However i think just saying that a radio edited version of the song is used is enough, no need to a seperate section detailing the changes (which are usually covered in the article on the song itself) unless the edited version is unique to Rock Band (so far none of them have been). As for original research it's no more OR than listing which songs are master tracks. harlock_jds (talk) 14:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the censorship needs to be removed. It's irrelevent to the songs. I don't see people putting censored things for TV shows or movies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.66.201 (talk) 18:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't buy the OR/master tracks argument. Their status as master tracks is listed unambiguously both on the Rock Band website and in the game itself ("as made famous by" as opposed to "by"). I'm yet to see a source that lists these radio edits. However, I'm satisfied with the asterisk marking edited songs solution. Oren0 (talk) 18:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I still disagree with it's removal. I think this is different from listing every change in a TV edit, for instance. There are lots of references all over Wikipedia to changes like this which I believe people do like to see. For instance, I just looked up Wayne Knight which referenced his stint as "Newman" on Seinfeld, and actually mentions that his voice was actually that of Larry David's in the first episode, but has now been re-edited in syndication to feature Wayne Knight's voice. Let me ask this: what exactly is the harm in including the information? What exactly is the downside of including it? Leshrac55 (talk) 00:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

details about the edited version of the songs can be added to the song infomation itself. Since these are already existing radio edits of the songs (in no way special to rock band) it would be redundent to include the infomation in both places. For example Creep (Radiohead song) contains a write up on the different versions of the songs. harlock_jds (talk) 01:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Bang camaro pack

so was that just a vandal or is it just not 100% confirmed yet?76.246.36.11 (talk) 02:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Are we confident about Metallica's One?

Our only source for this is a 4 month old mention in Rolling Stone. Isn't it possible that RS was referencing the other ...And Justice For All songs that were in the Metallica pack? It just seems like One would've been in that pack if it was going to be in the game, and I'm not sure how useful including a game with no date/price is anyway. I'm tempted to remove One until/unless we get another source claiming that it's actually in the game. Oren0 (talk) 18:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

One is not going to be in the game. Until there is some kind of official press release, any edit saying it is is just pure hope. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.207.24 (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

January 1st, 2008

That lineup looks pretty sweet for New Years, but I can't seem to confirm this anywhere. The source listed doesn't even mention those bands at all. Fascismo (talk) 07:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I found a citation on the Major Nelson Xbox Live blog. Never edited something into Wikipedia before, but I went ahead and did so. Hope I didn't break anything. 67.170.220.237 (talk) 12:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Wiki link to Harmonix Music Systems in main article?

Maybe you guys should actually link to Harmonix? I saw no reference to them in the first paragraph and thought abut all those new holiday buyers (Moms, Dads, etc) who might know nothing about from whence the game has come. I would do it myself, but I'm a nobody....

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/01/01/rock-band-tracks-various-1-1-08.aspx 68.127.49.175 (talk) 09:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)