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“None”?

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I've removed states listed in this page with "None" (as in, there are no toll roads in this state), as it seems a bit superfluous, as not all states are mentioned to begin with. Hope I'm not overstepping any bounds. If someone prefers the "None" bit, then you may change it back … but it would make sense to add the states that aren't mentioned in the first place and indicate that no toll roads exist in that state either. Which is silly, IMHO. --Micahbrwn 06:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tacoma Narrows Bridge

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At the top of the page it says the list doesn't include bridges or tunnels. Then down page, the only listing is for the Tacoma Narrows bridge. Time to delete? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.224.19.113 (talk) 05:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

agreed I am removing it. Jeepday (talk) 00:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was listed again today and I deleted it (along with several other bridges and tunnels)IBstupid (talk) 03:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed/Cancelled/Future

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I have noticed several "proposed", "cancelled proposal", and "future" roads. I think that these should be deleted from the list, especially the middle one. An exception could be made for Connecticut by leaving the paragraph but deleting the roads listed below it. If one is under construction (where it would be completed in a year or two) it should be included. I wanted to get another opinion before going ahead and doing so. IBstupid (talk) 02:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Causeways

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Should we delete causeways? Some (which I have personally been on in FL) are roads which pass across developed islands(Venetian Causeway, one of the two bridges in the Pinellas Bayway System), while others pass across man-made peninsulas and are essentially bridges with long approaches(Rickenbacker Causeway, Sanibel Causeway, one of the two bridges in the Pinellas Bayway System).IBstupid (talk) 02:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question from six years ago goes unanswered and it is a good question. Causeways are generally just long bridges, but so are elevated roadways... so I'm guessing they are okay. There should be more input regarding what goes on the list or not. --WashuOtaku (talk) 04:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Revised, after reviewing the FHWA's website on toll bridges/tunnels and roads, the causeways are considered bridges and should be removed from the list. --WashuOtaku (talk) 02:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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What about scenic roads?

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These are included in the FHWA list. --NE2 00:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, why not. I'm guessing they weren't included because nobody thought of adding them or utilized the FHWA resource. --WashuOtaku (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What about Skyline Drive? The article says it's not a toll road, but the only practical difference between it and the Pikes Peak Highway is that the latter has only one entrance. (The statement that Skyline Drive offers a yearly pass is irrelevant; some toll roads/bridges including the Hatem Bridge do the same.) --NE2 03:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I would stick with what FHWA says is a toll road then than assume any park's road is a toll road if they charge a gate fee. To me, Skyline Drive is a park, so entering the park is a fee, regardless it centers along a road. --WashuOtaku (talk) 03:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The FHWA is not always correct; they list the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway as a tunnel only, when you can exit northbound before the tunnel and still have to pay. --NE2 04:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
FHWA also lists Valley of Fire Road, definitely a park road. --NE2 05:28, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I don't agree the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway should be listed on this list because the tolls are used to pay for the tunnel people just went through; after all, not every toll system is pay first then use. I would generally shy away from park roads unless their is some sort of consensus that its a toll road and not simply a road paid by park gate fees. --WashuOtaku (talk) 13:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What tunnel people just went through? --NE2 13:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. Sorry, I was in a hurry this morning and misread your comment. However, I still stand by my comment, it is a fluke that exit ramp is after the toll plaza, likely because of where they could stick it and how they don't care for an exit ramp to a mostly industrial location. But that's just me, others should way into this discussion to decide if it stays or not. --WashuOtaku (talk) 23:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a fluke. That's the only northbound exit ramp before the tunnel. --NE2 00:44, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I mean that they may had to build it that way but still have access to the road that is behind the toll both. Also, the toll both existence is to pay for the tunnel, not the roadway to and from it. --WashuOtaku (talk) 00:51, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unable to parse this. --NE2 00:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Trail Ridge Road is currently categorized as a toll road. --NE2 01:11, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't mention any tolls nor it is on the FHWA toll road list. With a google search, I found none saying it is and one article saying it isn't, but has a park gate fee [link]. Again, as mention regarding the Skyline Drive, let's not get confused with park gate fee and toll road fee, there is a difference even if some of the money is to maintain the roadway. --WashuOtaku (talk) 01:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts on removing prices

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WP:NOPRICES generally says that "Wikipedia is not a price comparison service to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices and availability of a single product from different vendors or retailers." While we could say that the columns in tables listing the toll amounts aren't doing that, I still think it's a maintenance nightmare to deal with updating the various toll amounts as each state, or each state's authorities, change them. For that reason, I'd drop the columns completely. Imzadi 1979 → 07:11, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Toll per mile is important information for comparing the roads at an academic level. --NE2 08:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Remove. If someone wants to see the tolls, they can click on the article. The toll can be somewhat nuanced...variable tolls, discounts for electronic toll collection, different tolls in each direction...and in many cases, it's not really useful to know the toll for the entire length of the road. Might as well let readers navigate to individual articles than try to maintain tolls on this list.AHeneen (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We could have saved a lot of trouble by simply doing a list like the toll bridge list, but other editors that started this list felt toll rates were an important aspect of the page. I agree with that because it provides something one would expect if trying to pull a list of toll roads; they don't want to know it exists, but generally how much it may cost. --WashuOtaku (talk) 12:59, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I see no problem with listing the total cash rate for passenger cars to travel the entire roadway as it shows how much the toll road costs. Another alternative is to list how many cents per mile the toll road costs. Dough4872 17:15, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should drop the column, but if we were to keep them, I am more inclined to support a total cash rate and by extension, a per mile rate, than I am listing every rate at every toll barrier. –Fredddie™ 17:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Adams Avenue Parkway

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Is this a toll road or a toll bridge? --NE2 08:18, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Toll road. AHeneen (talk) 11:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why? What makes it a toll road but the Addison Airport Toll Tunnel a toll tunnel? --NE2 11:18, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You just answered your own question, the toll basically pays for the tunnel. --WashuOtaku (talk) 12:56, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
??? The Adams Avenue Parkway is a bridge over a valley. --NE2 13:28, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea how you see that. Here is the google map link: [1], it's a four-lane road with a medium; the toll gate is at the hilltop (both ways) and it has a bridge going over railroad tracks, not over a valley. --WashuOtaku (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The tracks are down in the valley, which also includes the Weber River. The toll is to cross the bridge. --NE2 23:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are also bridges on many other toll roads in the United States; with that rational, should we list them all on the bridge page as well? You are nitpicking here on something that is common, bridges over rivers and railroad tracks. The toll road doesn't say Bridge anywhere on it nor are the toll plaza next to the bridge for it; never mind the fact the road goes into the valley to connect with I-84. The Chicago Skyway is a viaduct for the most part, but it's listed as a road highway too. --WashuOtaku (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What distinguishes this from the Addison Airport Toll Tunnel, which is a tunnel under a runway? --NE2 00:43, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The fact it has Tunnel in the toll name and that the toll exists to pay for the tunnel. You are over thinking this. --WashuOtaku (talk) 00:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Adams Avenue Parkway toll exists to pay for the bridge. If the valley weren't there, there would be no need for a toll. --NE2 00:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are reaching now, the article doesn't say that at all. The article said the construction company built the road between US 89 and I-84 and they are only tolling one piece of it after returning the rest to the community. Even the FHWA list that has been referenced to already notes its for the road and not a bridge. --WashuOtaku (talk) 01:36, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You're failing to understand my argument. --NE2 02:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I apparently am. --WashuOtaku (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FHWA list

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I've gone through the FHWA list and cleaned it up: User:NE2/FHWA toll#Toll roads --NE2 12:21, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This will make it an easy way to compare what's missing or something we added that shouldn't be on the list. Thanks for taking the time putting that together. --WashuOtaku (talk) 13:05, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why are former routes in a different section?

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It would be more logical to put them in the state sections below the current routes. --NE2 04:52, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I started doing that (see Colorado's one entry), but I only really cared enough to get the article out of the Jct error category, which it is now. –Fredddie™ 05:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Now I see it was moved back. –Fredddie™ 05:51, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Other than it was already setup that way, my interpretation when I read the title of "List of toll roads in the United States" is that its contemporary. Thus listing former and historic routes is counter-productive because they are not contemporary toll roads. But, considering there is not former article around, a compromise is to list them at the bottom of the article, along with proposed routes. --WashuOtaku (talk) 12:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yet, List of state trunklines in Michigan includes the current and former highways in the same table (actually, the two tables since special routes have their own). My interpretation of the title doesn't exclude former examples. Now, there's the issue of the 19th-century turnpikes, but if the lead were written properly with a hatnote linking to the appropriate article/list, then that's not an issue. But for now, we do have an issue where section headings are repeated which creates issues. The former and proposed sections need to be merged in with the other ones to avoid those issues and to get the TOC to work properly. Imzadi 1979 → 14:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you all want to convert it to more of a list like the Michigan model (where proposed is orange and former is grey), I'm not against that. Agreed that toll roads before the 20th-century should not be listed. --WashuOtaku (talk) 14:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
One problem with the current format is that section titles (of any level) should not be repeated in the article, because when a wikilink to a section is made, it will link to the first section with that title. For example List of toll roads in the United States#Colorado will link to the section with the current toll roads; to link to the Colorado subsection of "Former", List of toll roads in the United States#Colorado_2 must be used. This is especially problematic if someone wanted to link to a "Managed lanes" section and not aware of WP:ANCHOR. It is also an annoying issue if someone edits a section of "Former" or "Proposals" (after saving the edit, the page will load to the first section that uses the title). This isn't a major problem, because the sections of the article aren't frequently wikilinked (at least not by novice editors), but is something to consider when reformatting the article. I support the consolidation of current, former, and proposed in one table for each state. If pre-20th century toll roads are excluded (I agree), then that criteria should be mentioned in the lead. AHeneen (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SH 249 - Tomball Parkway

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The latest section of SH249 (opened April 2015) is a toll road. Will try and find all details to add to the table. W\|/haledad (Talk to me) 01:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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New toll roads in DFW

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There were new managed lanes/ and in general toll roads added in DFW. Such as: SH-121 (SRT) (From US-75 to I-635) SH-161/190 (PGBT) (From I-20 to I-30) Dallas North Tollway (From I-35E to University Drive (US-380) 360 South Tollway (From US-287 to Green Oaks Boulevard) SH-183 Managed Lanes (connect to I-820 managed lanes) (From I-820/SH-121 to I-35E) SH-114 Managed Lanes (From Loop 12 to SH-121/SH-360 interchange) I-30 Managed Lanes (From Collins Street to I-35E) I-35E Managed Lanes (From I-35W to Northwest Highway (Loop-12) connecting to I-635 Loop 12 Managed Lanes (from SH-183 to I-35E, merging to become I-35E/I-635 elevated pillar express lanes) I-35W Managed Lanes (from I-30 to US-287)

Future

I-820 Managed Lanes (from SH-183/SH-121 to Randol Mill Road)

Could we please add this to the article?


Luqity (talk) 18:46, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vermont as a toll state

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"VERMONT IS LISTED AS A TOLL STATE. This is incorrect. VERMONT does NOT collect tolls on state or interstate highways. The only tolls collected, are for the ferry across Lake Champlain."

This quote is from the first section of the article. Someone who's better at editing then me should fix the map and remove that quote. Blueal (talk) 23:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Entrance Fees vs Road Tolls

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I recently removed several entries that were of entrance fees to national parks or other places. The article is a list of toll roads in the United States, so items included should be for roads only; entrance fees are not tolls specific for road use only, but includes other facilities and/or services. Editors needs to be mindful of this difference going forward. --WashuOtaku (talk) 05:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not gonna take a stance on whether or not they should count for this list, but it's worth noting the Federal Highway Administration publishes a formal list of toll roads in the United States, and the deleted entries are included (as well as several more park & mountain roads not featured on this page). So there is at least some justification for listing them. Full list here. Sbb618 (talk) 06:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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