Talk:List of tornado outbreaks by outbreak intensity score

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Proper name[edit]

Hey @Tony1:, why do you say it is not a proper name? The book has it fully capitalized. This is similar to the Enhanced Fujita scale (2-word proper name) or the International Fujita scale (2-word proper name) or the Saffir–Simpson scale. The outbreak names are even capitalized (Example being this academically published paper saying "Super Outbreak" (capitalized). "Outbreak Intensity Score" is the proper name for the new scale and ranking categories. I will revert the good-faith move, but you need to provide examples of why it would not be proper names if you still believe it is not a proper name. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it isn't just the "title" of the paper either. Read the abstract: "The second major squall line within the Super Outbreak storm". It is capitalized and considered a proper name/term. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Before I respond, I'm waiting for you to reverse your vandalism: DOWNCASE THE HEADINGS, per WP's hard-and-fast policy. NOW please, since my work in fixing that has twice been ruined. Tony (talk) 00:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you consider it vandalism? You are trying to argue the name of a scale "Outbreak Intensity Score" is like a football score? It isn't. It is a scale. The names are capitalized in the RS and sources. I will not revert and I encourage you to not revert further and provide a source explaining why MOS is more important than RS or a source explaining why something like the Enhanced Fujita scale should be "Enhanced fujita scale" (i.e. not capitalized the proper name). The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I withdraw my claim of vandalism, given the reason (still wrong) that you've given at [Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Does RS or MOSCAPS decides proper names? MOSCAPS talk] Tony (talk) 00:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 April 2024 (withdrawn)[edit]

List of tornado outbreaks by outbreak intensity score → List of tornado outbreaks by Outbreak Intensity Score – Secondary reliable sources as well as the creator capitalize “Outbreak Intensity Score”.

The Winchester Gazette — “In 2023, a tornado expert named Thomas P. Grizulis created an “Outbreak Intensity Score” as a way to rank the intensity of such outbreaks.”
I can also confirm in the creator’s book published last year, it is also capitalized.
It is even capitalized on the Tornado Project website - “For the first time it defines an outbreak in a unique way. With its OIS (Outbreak Intensity Score) we will make it clear that the exact number of deaths has little meteorological importance.”

This debate was brought up earlier this month as supposedly, capitalizations mid-article title somehow violate MOSCAPs? A second person also argued (and changed without consensus) that the Enhanced Fujita scale must be the “enhanced Fujita scale”, despite thousands of RS, and even the U.S. government saying “Enhanced” is capitalized for the “Enhanced Fujita scale”. Nonetheless, this discussion caused controversy, so let’s have the formalized discussion here and now. Do reliable sources decide what proper names are, or does Wikipedia editors. I obviously support the idea that reliable sources, not Wikipedia editors, decide what is proper or not proper, hence why I am requested this be moved in support of reliable sources…not what Wikipedia editors say cannot be a proper name. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Small P.S. note, this capitalization was edit-warred over, so a requested move discussion is actually necessary. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clarifications: I've looked at this a little bit with Google searches. I've not found anyone besides Thomas P. Grazulis scoring tornado outbreaks using this score. Aside from Grazulis's books, there's nothing in Google Books, and nothing at all in Google Scholar. The article in The News-Gazette of Winchester, Indiana, misspells his name and is only a passing mention of the score. The Tornado Project was created by Grazulis, so it is not an independent source. I'm not sure this list is notable regardless of capitalization. What am I missing? SchreiberBike | ⌨ 14:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn. I missed that the RS misspelled his name. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 14:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note – Even Grazulis's own Tornado Project web site uses lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 14:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]