Talk:List of unmanned aerial vehicles of China

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Article history[edit]

This page created as a result of discussion at: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:PRC drones. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:08, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(note: TfD now located at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 September 15#Template:PRC drones. fyi - wolf 10:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC))[reply]
Given the drift of the above-referenced discussion, it seems likely that Template:PRC drones will be deleted. Rather than using that template in new articles, then, it would be advisable to include this list in the 'See also' section. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 15:47, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions[edit]

Several suggestions for further developing this list:

  • The list currently includes military and other UAVs in China. Many of the UAVs presently included are experimental, or even one-time flying robots produced by university programs. As a first step for further developing the list, I would suggest establishing subcategories (eg. Historical, Military, University, Other, etc.) and reorganizing the list accordingly.
  • Secondly, there is, in my view, a serious challenge of notability herein. Many or even most of the UAVs listed here may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. As a next step, I would suggest removing from this list all redlinks. Once there was an article on the UAV, fine to add it back in...
  • Further, I would suggest discussion on this talk page about the broader issue of notability. Should one time university projects be included in this list, or in Wikipedia at all?
  • Lastly, I would encourage adding further references, especially those providing broad coverage of this topic.

Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Remove redlinks?[edit]

I would suggest removing all redlinks in this list-article unless they have an original source associated with them as a reference. Even among those Chinese UAVs for which there already are articles, there are questions about notability. Other perspectives? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 19:18, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

sounds reasonable. Frietjes (talk) 19:40, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 20:05, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Redlinks (archival listing)[edit]

The following redlinks have been removed. They can be added back in if/when there are articles for them. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 20:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: once verified against the article, any bluelinks below can be deleted. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 01:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Related Categories for discussion[edit]

Please see this CfD discussion. Comments welcome. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:01, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion closed. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 21:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scope, notability, reliable sources[edit]

Please see discussion related to this article at WikiProject Aircraft. Further comments & contributions welcome. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 09:56, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion closed; archived here. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 21:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What to do with this page... (if anything)[edit]

Going by this article's history & stats, it appears that editor XdeLaTorre (talk), added by far the most content to this list (171 of 187Kb). This same user has had for some time now, a continuously growing list on their own talk page of these same Chinese military and civilian UAV articles, that are being PROD'd, (with a few nom'd for AfD)... a list that with only a few exceptions, is fast approaching 300 deleted titles. (Though I'm pinging them, I'm not sure if they'll respond, as they haven't edited since September, but even by then their editing had steeply dropped off, and they also rarely, if ever, participate on talk pages.)

A while back when I was considering a clean-up of the List of ships of the People's Liberation Army Navy, I became aware of these problematic UAV articles. I just now did a clean up of the handfull of refs on this list and doing a rough count, there appears to be just over 3000 entries (including some duplicates). About 700 have articles, while another 2200+ are red-linked, and just over a 100 aren't linked at all.

All the discussion threads above are from 2013. Among them, is a suggestion to remove the red-linked entries from this list, and store them here for possible future use. It appears this was partially enacted, but I don't know what happened after that. (I'm pinging DASonnenfeld who was the most active editor in those threads at the time.)

Looking through some of the entries that are linked to an article or stub, it appears that many of them are problematic and either require a good deal of improvemnt, or should be deleted. One editor (pinging RovingPersonalityConstruct) is doing a fine job of slowly and purposefully sifting through these titles and tagging them, (while trying not to overwhelm any resources), but it could take a year to go though them all, that's just the current ones noted here, and that's if they're deleted after a week without being contested.

So the purpose of this post is, other than (maybe & hopefully) drawing some wider attention to this issue, is to ask a friendly & helpful admin familiar with all this, (pinging Liz), if perhaps there is another way to deal with this issue a little more expeditiously(?) Thanks in advance (and sorry about the length). Cheers - wolf 13:01, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, RovingPersonalityConstruct has been handling these UAV articles very nicely, ever day there are somewhere around 3-5+ PROD'd articles from this list that are deleted so unlike what happened with some old TV series or GEO locations, they have not overwhelmed the daily PROD list. These nightly deletions (at least it is night here where I'm at when they expire) have been happening almost daily for about 2 months now. What should be happening, but often doesn't, is that the admin who deletes the PRODs should unlink the links to the deleted article. So, I'm guessing that some of the red links are not from articles that some editor plans to create but are red links from articles that were PROD'd and deleted. The ones with no links I'm guessing have been deleted via PRODs and had the active link removed. And I imagine it would be very tedious to go through the existing red links and check each one manually to see whether it resulted from a deleted PROD.
If it is okay with RovingPersonalityConstruct, I think it's okay if we just go through the rest at the pace we've been going. They might have a system set up and it has been going so smoothly, I wouldn't want to tamper with it unless they find it a burden to PROD these articles each day. But so far, there have been no problems, not previous PRODs or AFDs on these articles, no contested deletions and, as far as I know, no PROD tags have been removed.
So, what were you thinking of doing instead? I'd want to make sure that RovingPersonalityConstruct was involved. You could try AFDing a bundle if it wasn't too big. But that has pluses and minuses. AFDs get a lot more attention than PRODs do so an AFD could bring attention to these articles and if an ambitious editor spots them, they could try to improve some of the articles. On the other hand, some editors get alarmed when they see big deletions and bring the whole process to a halt until they can be assured that nothing valuable is getting deleted. Or they insist that a bundled AFD get unbundled and each article goes to AFD individually. I don't think these articles need a week's discussion when so far there has been no editor who is interested in keeping them or restoring the ones deleted via PROD or who has contested these deletions.
Personally, I'm satisfied with how things are working and the only remedy that comes to mind is increasing the number or PRODs to maybe 10-15/day instead. If this does happen, remember that the deleting admin still has to verify that each is eligible to be PROD'd and so don't tag them all over 60 seconds. And ifThewoldchild, if you want to do some PRODding, it would be helpful if you spoke with RovingPersonalityConstruct and maybe tagged your bunch 6 or 12 hours later/earlier than they do theirs, just to spread the work around the 24 hour clock.
Any other ideas? I know one can get through the urge to just delete them all quickly in one bunch, but the current method, while slow, has been successful and has raised no objections that I'm aware of which is two points in its favor. Liz Read! Talk! 20:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the detailed answer, it is quite informative. I asked you because a) I know you know this stuff and b) figured you respond with some helpful info. As far as the current stubs are concerned, if you believe it best to carry on as is, then I defer to you. I had also asked RPC about this, including their thoughts about looking into something like mandatory AfC for Xdeletorre, but they've stopped editing (and creating) for now, so no action may be needed. I just think it's a shame when someone creates thousands of poorly made stubs and others have to clean them up. Anyways, thanks again. Cheers - wolf 22:26, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I'm ok with continuing to mark a few articles for PROD a day. It keeps the workload down for anybody involved now and in the future. Saying that, it will be a very long term thing. I've been concentrating on XdeLaTorre's UAV articles, but the other articles that they've created - namely on Chinese ships - seem to have much the same characteristics and will need to be sifted through as well.
I'm more concerned about dealing with XdeLaTorre's articles that do cover notable subjects. My impression is that they typically require substantial rework. Compared to that, PRODing the non-notables is an inexpensive - and perhaps more bearable - way of getting something done.
As for specific actions concerning XdeLaTorre... If they start intensively editing again, all of their edits might need to be checked. I don't know if there's a process for that. - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 04:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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