Talk:Loreak

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Requested move 21 October 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus, leaning not moved. Clearly there is not a consensus to rename this article at the moment, and arguably there is a consensus against doing so but that's splitting hairs as the result is the same. Jenks24 (talk) 10:31, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Loreak → Flowers (film) – WP:UE, WP:NCF. Remember we are looking for the title most used in the English-speaking world, and the first and only distributor in the English-speaking world is using the title Flowers.[1] Likewise the official list of Oscar submissions,[2] and various film festivals it's played at.[3][4][5][6][7][8] Film Fan 18:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC)--Relisted. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Loreak is the correct title that's being used both in Spain and outside, with "Flowers" being a translation rather than the title of the film. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 17:12, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true. I have updated the evidence above. Film Fan 22:44, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is true, if you knew what you were taking about. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 10:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. But you're wrong. Film Fan 23:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment - looking for insight from other editors. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Google searches for strings that would be found where the film is discussed in English, such as "by Jon Garaño and Jose Mari Goenaga", yield significantly more results when Loreak is included in the string (outside the quotes) than when Flowers is, even though nearly every English-language discussion of the film would naturally be expected to tell readers the meaning of the title. If Flowers really were the title most-used in the English-speaking world, Loreak would show up a distant second in search results. —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 18:37, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Your logic doesn't quite hold up, GrammarFascist. The vast majority of sources that use the title Flowers also mention the original title Loreak. Any journalist will confirm that's the norm for foreign works of art. Also, as mentioned in the OP, this film is actually in theaters right now, officially titled Flowers. And here is the official poster. Pre-distribution sources are irrelevant when a film actually gets theatrical distribution and finds an audience, so one should be looking at the more recent sources. I ask that you reconsider your vote. I should add that Lugnuts is simply being a contrarian for personal reasons. Cheers. Film Fan 23:37, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - If indeed my logic doesn't hold up, you've failed to point out where it failed. Obviously sources where both titles are mentioned will show up in searches for both [search string]+flowers and [search string]+loreak, so if there are significantly more results for one search than the other (and there are, and it's the +loreak searches), that clearly indicates that there are more English-language sources using that title and leaving the other out. As for the poster, I guess I could be hallucinating but I see both titles on it. —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 00:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - To clarify that thinly veiled personal attack from FF, note that he has a long history of disruptive page moves, as his lengthy block log will confirm. Most of his recent attempts at page moves have failed spectacularly. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 13:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Nope, nope and nope to the lies. Film Fan 16:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes. Wrong once again. And here are just a few failed pages moves - One and two. I'll dig out more if you like. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 08:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        What relevance does a block log have to do with anything? Or indeed my pages moves - the vast, vast majority of which are successful and always have been. Grow up. Film Fan 10:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It shows your long history of disruption when it comes to this issue. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 10:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

- It doesn't. It's just a bitter attitude that adds absolutely zilch to the conversation. Film Fan 11:01, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pinging Baskesc to this conversation, simply because they're the only other major contributor to the article; I have no idea what their opinion on the move will be, so I don't think this counts as canvassing. @Film Fan and Lugnuts: All either of you are doing with your personal attacks is making me inclined to discount everything you have to say, despite my best efforts to AGF. Please focus on the merits of your arguments, not on each other's perceived failings. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 15:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have no strong opinion about the matter. Baskesc (talk) 17:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be grateful if you weighed up the evidence and voted either way, Baskesc. Film Fan 18:31, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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