Talk:Lucky Luna

About TouchArcade review...

@PresN: You interpreted it as 5 stars, but in actuality it appears to not have any listed stars, as none of them are filled in. Calling it up on Wayback Machine shows it initially had no star rating so the addition of it might be a glitch. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: Ugh, that makes sense. I'm not sure then that we should have a box at all- one with just a single review seems wrong. --PresN 13:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@PresN: In that case, the one review score should be stated in the body text. The rule about not mentioning the scores is contingent on an infobox existing with the scores. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: It's not, though? WP:VG/REC is the MOS part for the reception section, and it says "Reduce minutiae inappropriate for a general audience. For example, avoid scores and statistics in prose, which are hard for the reader to parse and often impart little qualitative information." It doesn't say that you should ignore that if you don't have a review box. Scores should only be in the box, and the review box itself is optional. If you disagree, we should probably ask at WT:VG to get the wording more clear. --PresN 18:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

It states that "Video game reviews exists for this purpose" and then in the next entry says "this template is not required" so I think it absolutely contradicts itself. If it's trying to position the review template as the means for displaying actual scores, it should probably not call it optional, or clarify that scores don't have to be given at all (but I personally think they should always be shown). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#MOS vagueness: review scores without boxes; I do agree that it could be clearer what to do if there's no reviews box. For the record, my position is that the lack of a box does not mandate that scores be in the prose, because scores do not belong in the prose at all. --PresN 19:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Lucky Luna/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PresN (talk · contribs) 02:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: The Night Watch (talk · contribs) 14:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll look at this one. The first comments should be up by Saturday at the latest. The Night Watch (talk) 14:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for the long delay, I've had a few things come up in IRL recently that have taken my time away from Wikipedia. I should have the review up soon though. The Night Watch (talk) 02:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@The Night Watch: Hey, reminder of this. --PresN 02:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, I'm working on the comments now. The Night Watch (talk) 05:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

No worries, no rush, just wanted to make sure you hadn't forgotten. --PresN 18:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Here we go:

• FUR are adequate for gameplay. For the infobox, maybe {{Non-free use rationale video game cover}} could help

• Done

• "The game has six handcrafted levels with different themes in the story mode, and infinite procedurally generated versions of those levels in the endless mode" could a different word be used than handcrafted? Maybe handmade?

• Done

• "The game began development in 2014 as Cerulean Moon, a project by Spanish programmer Nacho Barbas, aka Nachobeard" maybe it could be formatted as Nacho "Nachobeard" Barbas like how Minecraft calls its creator Markus "Notch" Persson

• Done

• "Barbas and the studio then worked on the title for another two years, adding the endless mode and finishing the game." Cut "then"

• Done

• "Snowman chose Netflix as the publisher so that the game design would not be impacted by a need to monetize the game with advertisements or in-app purchases" cut "game" from in front of "design"

• Done

• I'm surprised at the inclusion of the word "acclaimed" in the lead as that usually is from a wide consensus among critics. Since the game apparently received little attention from reviewers, I would change acclaimed to "praised"

• Done

• "The game also features an endless mode, in which the player traverses procedurally generated versions of the six levels" remove "also"

• Done

• "The levels each have a theme, such as water, jungles, or lava, and contain obstacles that will kill Luna if touched such as boiling water, spikes, or lava" this sentence feels a little circular and repetitive, maybe change it to "such as water, lave, or jungles" so that both parts of the sentence don't end with lava.

• Done

• "Each level ends with Luna following the fox into a portal back to the temple; the first time the player completes a level causes the portal to the next level to activate" remove "level" after next.

• Done

• The second paragraph of Gameplay repeats the word "level" several times, maybe this could be changed to "stage" to prevent the term from becoming repetitive?

• Done

• "The game began development as Cerulean Moon in late 2014 as a project by Spanish programmer Nacho Barbas, nicknamed Nachobeard" same nickname formatting as suggested above.

• Done

• "During that time, the game's endless mode was added and the game refined" how about "During that time, the game was refined and the endless mode was added."

• Done

• "Andrew Schimmel, the producer for the game, described creating the endless mode while turning the story mode into a finished product like building two complementary games at the same time." How about "The producer, Andrew Schimmel, described finishing the story mode and creating the endless mode as like building two complementary games at the same time."

• Done

@The Night Watch: Above all done. --PresN 18:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, should have some more comments up shortly and then on to source-checks. The Night Watch (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for the long delay, I should be done with the next batch shortly. The Night Watch (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@The Night Watch: Hi, just a reminder of this. --PresN 14:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

• "Later that year, however, Barbas joined Toronto studio Snowman, which had previously made the snowboarding-based Alto's Adventure (2015), among others" how about "Later that year, Barbas joined Toronto studio Snowman, which had previously made the snowboarding-based Alto's Adventure (2015), among other games."
• I did some more copyedits, feel free to poke me here if you had have questions or concerns over what I did.
• I'm curious why you chose Medium as a source. What makes it reliable in this context?
• Spot-checking statements for sources 1, 2, 5, 8, 12, 14, and 21.

The Night Watch (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@The Night Watch: Followed your suggestion for the Snowman sentence. I'm not sourcing ref 10 to Medium, which is a publishing platform; it's an WP:ABOUTSELF source by the publisher of the game (Snowman). I'd prefer to use a 3rd party source instead of a 1st party source, of course, but in this case I felt some of the quotes from Barbas in the source were useful to the reader, and the sentence its referencing is pretty much just from that source- the secondary Hobbyconsolas source for that sentence doesn't give the same amount of detail, and is there to show that it wasn't a post-Snowman decision but something he had in the game from the beginning. --PresN 01:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright, that's reasonable. On to spot checks. The Night Watch (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Before moving on, I checked and found no copyvio in the article body.
• Source 1 does not say six levels

• Removed the "six"

• For the quote by Pocket Gamer in reception, source should be cited immediately after the quotation brackets

• Done

• Source 2 verified and confirmed.
• Part about shrine slate and cutscene needs a cited source in gameplay

• Removed

• Part about global leaderboard is not verified in source 5

• Removed

• Source 8 doesn't seem to add much useful information, it just adds an external link to Nachobeard.

• It's there to explicitly say that "nachobeard"'s name is Nacho Barbas

• Source 12 verified and confirmed (Thanks WSJ subscription)
• Source 14 doesn’t confirm that Cerulean Moon was at Gamescon afaik, unless it is mentioned in the private video.

• It's not, so I've shuffled it around a little- refs 13 and 14 now cover "with further details given in early 2015", while the Gamescom sentence is cited to ref 15, which has it in the title.

• Source 21 verified and confirmed.

@PresN here you go. The Night Watch (talk) 01:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@The Night Watch: Fixed and replied inline. --PresN 20:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@PresN Thanks. The article content is already neutral and stable, and I didn't spot any other major problems. No metacritic score sadly. Sources look to be generally reliable. One last question: what makes Gamepilgrim reliable? The Night Watch (talk) 01:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@The Night Watch: Yeah, that one is pretty weak. I can't find a good replacement, so I've removed it and the sentence. --PresN 01:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

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