Talk:Lunar soil

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On 30 January 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Lunar soil. The result of the discussion was Moved back to Lunar soil.

Untitled[edit]

This is a very simple starting point for an article on Lunar Soil. Hopefully, over time, enough information will be accumulated here, and make this article useful as a resource regarding lunar soil and its properties. This stub was created in 5 minutes, but a good accumulation of facts and knowledge will only result from editing over an extended period of time. Feel free to make any and all corrections - including complete revision of anything written - if it will result in a higher level of accuracy and usefulness.

Despite the simple title, Lunar Soil is a topic which covers fairly wide range of information. Future subsections should include:

  1. Origin of Lunar Soil
  2. Composition of Lunar Soil
  3. Mining and Processing of Lunar Soil
  4. Engineering Challenge Posed By Lunar Soil - a place for the current knowledge of Engr 
     challenges of lunar soil (this will not be a speculative section; instead it will focus 
     on existing knowledge from legitimate sources)
     4.1. Civil Engineering: lunar soil properties differ from those of Earth soil, 
          and all future structures built on the Moon depend on concrete knowledge 
          of its soil
     4.2. Mechanical Engineering: Moon's surface is covered by a layer of extremely fine, 
          electrically charged dust - the lunar regolith; Any mechanisms operating on the 
          Moon will have to be safe from the effects of that dust settling on moving parts

This is just a tentative index of topics which should be covered by the fully developed article.

What I started as a very bad draft in 2006 has been edited so nicely, it is actually pleasant to read. It still misses important information, but what a change. I'm humbled by al the editing that everybody contributed to my very bad draft. It's so cool to see :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.175.42 (talk) 03:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

There's minor vandalism on this article regarding the bootpring picture.

--ElPeski (talk) 15:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical composition?[edit]

The article needs a table of the chemical constituents of the soil. Is there phosphorus in the soil? --193.166.104.100 (talk) 14:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Lunar soil/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

*Expand on soil mechanics section topics w/ intext citations.--Paleorthid (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 17:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 22:37, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

ENGVAR[edit]

It appears that this article is written in US English, based on the use of the term "oxidize" instead of "oxidise". I based this on looking at the latest version, not by looking back to find the first non-stub version that established a national variety, which is what WP:ENGVAR and WP:RETAIN actually specify. Consequently, I changed "centimetre" to "centimeter" and will shortly add {{American English}} to the talk page. YBG (talk) 17:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Lunar soil to Lunar dirt[edit]

The change away from the term 'soil' seems a good one, and obvious once someone has pointed it out. But Dirt doesn't fit either. What is a good alternative? Randy Kryn (talk) 19:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 January 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved back to Lunar soil. (non-admin closure) Vpab15 (talk) 19:46, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lunar dirt → Lunar soil – this was hastily moved from "Lunar soil" to "Lunar dirt." By convention, lunar regolith is called "lunar soil" in the English language (19,900 results in Google Scholar) and not "lunar dirt" (98 results in Google Scholar). Technical arguments in favor of calling it lunar dirt because it lacks biological activity are factually true, but irrelevant, because that's how the terminology is used outside of Wikipedia. WP:COMMONNAME etc. Geogene (talk) 18:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME. --Un assiolo (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, changed my mind from section above per consistency with Martian soil and the expansion of the meaning when discussing off-world wording. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, user Geogene went on a stalkish reverting spree. Wikipedia is not a democracy and it does not care about language conventions. This is an encyclopedia and follows science, or at least it should. Just because someone makes an error and others blindly copy it does not mean error should be allowed to continue to progress. That is how literature and textbook myths are formed. Soil is a living system recognized in biology, pedology, ecology and geology. Dirt, or if you will, "finer regolith", is the mineral component. Use the word regolith if you like, but don't use soil. We haven't discovered any soil outside Earth. When we do, feel free to include it in a relevant article. Lajoswinkler (talk) 22:28, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Original mover seems to be trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, Wikipedia is not the place for that. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:29, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Lunar regolith, which already redirects here. "Regolith" is a better term to use, as "soil" includes organic matter. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:25, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Lunar regolith, somewhat less common as a name but more accurate (t · c) buidhe 10:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There seems no question that lunar soil is the common name, and in any case the bold move should be reverted as no valid rationale was provided. Lunar regolith is a more general term and we probably want an article on it too. Build that article and then we can discuss a merge is my suggestion. Meantime move to comply with the naming policy. Andrewa (talk) 02:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Previous move[edit]

 18:53, 25 January 2021‎ Lajoswinkler talk contribs block‎ m  22,934 bytes 0‎  Lajoswinkler moved page Lunar soil to Lunar dirt: "soil" is defined as a mixture of biogenic organic material, organisms and dirt and is therefore present only on Earth. The Moon has no soil. This has been established long ago. https://www.britannica.com/science/regolith

This attempt to correct the article title shows no understanding of the issues. Andrewa (talk) 02:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.