Talk:Lyra McKee/Archive 1

Archive 1

Wikidata

Can someone change the Wikidata entry from Creggan to Derry? It appears from the article that she died later at Altnagelvin Area Hospital rather than at the time of the shooting. This is Paul (talk) 14:51, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Done. I seize the opportunity to thank you for your work, especially in such heartbreaking circumstances. Rama (talk) 16:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Merging sections

I'm wondering if "Saoradh parade in Dublin" and "Security alerts in Derry" could be merged into the existing "Aftermath" section. Both are very short paragraphs. Any thoughts. This is Paul (talk) 22:01, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes. it should be done, per WP:OVERSECTION and WP:RECENTISM. Minuscule subheadings for every conceivable subtopic are amateurish and cluttering. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:39, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I've folded them into the main section. -sche (talk) 05:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Name of the city

In the hope of preventing the ongoing edit war over the name of Derry/Londonderry, I've made and applied {{Derry-note}}, inspired by {{Kosovo-note}}. Naturally, {{Londonderry-note}} will also work. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Assassination

From my understanding, the term assassination doesn't refer to any public figure being killed/murdered, but specifically to when such figure is targeted specifically for murder. With that in mind, do we know that McKee was specifically targeted? Alssa1 (talk) 10:08, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Her killers probably didn't know who she was, and were more likely trying to kill police. An ordinary journalist being killed isn't close to being an assassination, even if she were the intended target. Jim Michael (talk) 10:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I disagree, from my understanding 'assassination' refers to the premeditated killing of a public figure; unless she was the intended target, I don't think it's legitimate to call it an assassination. A discussion regarding the level of prominence necessary to for it to be termed an 'assassination' seems to be an unhelpful discussion however. Alssa1 (talk) 14:58, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

This article doesn't call her killing an assassination. Jim Michael (talk) 06:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Proposed merge

2019 Londonderry attack contains nothing not covered here. FDW777 (talk) 07:33, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Agree that it doesn't add anything else, and I've merged/redirected. @Wikaviani: - are you able to give any rationale for another article on the same subject? Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:36, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I did not want to edit war based on Wikaviana previously reverting someone else's attempt at redirecting. FDW777 (talk) 07:37, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

The article i created was about the terrorist attack, not about its victims, as this is what we usually do here, on Wikipedia. However, if you guys think that this article is useless, then i have no more objections. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:38, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

We've established McKee was notable prior to her death so a separate article is a possibility, especially if there's a lot of information about the investigation, etc, and the events do lead to a sea change (as was suggested here). It's probably a bit early for one at present though, but we should keep it in mind. This is Paul (talk) 21:51, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Looking at the sources in the article, and looking for others via Google News and Books, I see there are a few sources from before this month (not counting her own writing). I have also seen some previous discussions (e.g. the AfD of Saikat Chakrabarti) lend some weight to documentation of things people did in the past even if it is in sources (e.g. news articles) which were prompted by the "one event". My initial impression is that it's borderline whether McKee is notable separate from this event; she might be, she might not. -sche (talk) 06:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

The riot and her murder during it are more notable than she is. She doesn't have much notability, but a riot in a British city in which a journalist is murdered does. Jim Michael (talk) 05:55, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Split/Move/Keep

• Split– This article is drifting off topic and we need to take action to mitigate that. McKee is independently notable and so is her killing. The section about her death should be split off, leaving a shorter description behind. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:17, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
• Keep as standalone article. Article is not over sized so it is premature to split. Also, almost everybody googling Lyra McKee will be doing so in large part because of her tragic death, so the argument that her death is off-topic cannot be sustained.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 23:50, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

See the above discussion where this topic is already being covered. This is Paul (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

To keep the comments on this in one place, I've made this section a subsection of that one. -sche (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)