Talk:Margaret Kenyatta (mayor)

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Requested move 21 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved - moved to Margaret Kenyatta (mayor) (non-admin closure) Fuortu (talk) 12:20, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– There are two Margaret Kenyattas, one is the daughter of Kenya's first president Jomo Kenyatta, who was briefly the mayor of Nairobi in the 1970s, while the other is the current First Lady of Kenya, wife of President Uhuru Kenyatta, who also happens to be the half-sister of the other Margaret. Currently the older Margaret (the mayor) occupies the base title, with the First Lady at the title Margaret Gakuo Kenyatta. However, I think this is wrong because the latter is not a commonly used name for her, and we don't usually disambiguate by middle names (or indeed, maiden names, as this may be) unless the person is commonly known with that name. In terms of common usage (in 2016) and page views, [1] the First Lady enjoys about 2-3 as many as the Mayor, so I think she is probably the primary topic. And certainly the older Margaret is not the primary topic - even if we consider long term significance, a First Lady is likely to be at least as enduring in significance as someone who was just a mayor as well as the daughter of the founding president. If we don't switch the primary topic, then we should at least move to a WP:TWODABS disambiguation page with neither topic as primary. As for disambiguator, either "(Mayor of Nairobi)" or "born 1928" would be fine I think - not sure which fits better with our usual customs. It could even be "(politician)", since the First Lady is not technically one, but that might be confusing. — Amakuru (talk) 09:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support but move to Margaret Kenyatta (mayor) (less unwieldy) or, better in my opinion, Margaret Kenyatta (diplomat), which seems to be her better-known and longer role. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:05, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with either of those two disambiguators... — Amakuru (talk) 21:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose sorry I'm not convinced that Jomo Kenyatta's daughter isn't the more enduring topic here. Margaret Kenyatta (mayor), since she appears to have been quasi-diplomat only, plus Margaret Kenyatta (first lady) would seem to make more sense. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:03, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@In ictu oculi: I'm intrigued as to why you think Jomo's daughter is the more enduring topic. Do you have any reason or evidence behind that? Generally children of presidents are not as notable in their own right as first ladies, and the only thing that gives her a bit more notability is the mayor of Nairobi thing. But again, mayors are usually of somewhat lesser long term significance than first ladies. At the very least the two are equal in primacy... — Amakuru (talk) 21:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There doesn't have to be one, there are two people with the same name after all. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:13, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support The First Lady is the primary topic; the Margaret Kenyatta most Kenyans refer to. I actually didn't know there was another Margaret Kenyatta until now. MediaKill13 (talk) 16:22, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per detailed examination of issues related to the nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:22, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.