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16,000 Graduates?

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I could be mistaken, but according to a chart I saw at Clothing just days ago, while I was still in Recruit Training, they expect some 26,000 recruits to come through PI in 2006 - I believe it was 23,000 male and 3,000 female. I'll give some slack for recruits who get sent home, but I highly doubt that number's anywhere close to 10,000.

(Reply) Actually, that's probably about right. It's well over 10 000, easily. Remember, there's a graduation almost every Friday -- there are ony about 4-6 "No Grad" weeks per year. Graduation includes a female series, usually 90-120 recruits, every two weeks. Male recruits graduate at a rate closer to 300-400, every week. The numbers vary widely depending on the time of year. In ealy summer 2004, Company N, 4th Bn graduated a series of 54 recruits. In September, Co N, Series 4028 graduated 135 recruits. The smaller number was almost a record-breaker. Fewer recruits ship from Feb-May. Most ship after graduating from high school, during the summer months and into the fall. In October, the next company N series to pick up was closer to 165 - an unusually large number, because of an unusually long break between platoons because of the end of the fiscal year. I was the series commander for series 4028. The numbers I am giving are very rough estimations - I don't have hard stats in front of me; but if you were there in Feb-May, the place didn't look nearly as crowded as it does later in the year. Anyway, the chart in Clothing wasn't propaganda. They really do move a lot of recruits through. Semper Fi. 199.2.122.219 19:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Emulated by the Army?

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Can it really be said that Marine Corps Boot Camp is "emulated" by the Army? Is this really NOPV or did a Marine edit this in as a jab at the Army?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Flydpnkrtn (talk • contribs) 00:45, March 14, 2006 UTC

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now this all my or may not be true.. yet coming from a usmc lover i can tell you that parris island is not just a recruit depot. it is a life changing experience... ooh rah semper fi do or die. —The preceding comment was added to the article by 68.223.27.175 (talk • contribs) at 22:40, June 18, 2006 UTC (UTC)

—ERcheck (talk) @ 23:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Initial training at Parris Island ranks among the hardest military training in the world"

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I think a statement like this is really an opinion. I'd be willing to guarantee that Marine Basic Training is certainly NOT among the hardest military training in the world. Furthermore, what exactly defines "hard" military training? In Russia recruits regularly die in training, does that make it "harder" because recruits are treated much poorly? etc. I don't think there is a solid list ranking military training by "hardness". Aside from fourteen year olds arguing which special forces is the best on counterstrike forums, such a definition is very, very arbitrary.

So in conclusion, I don't think a statement like this has any factual value and does not belong in the article.

Reply to above from former Marine. It is harder because it is longer and more challenging. 13 Weeks compared to 10 weeks in the Army. We Marines shot our rifles at targets from 500 meters, army was 300. Physical fitness tests are also more difficult. Marines must do more pull-up, sit-ups, run 3 miles faster. Hardly "arbitrary" as you said. I seriously doubt you were in any branch of the service. BTW, the training at MCRD San Diego is exactly the same as Paris Island regardless of what the clowns from the island tell you.

The verbal abuse is non-stop, DI's PT you while telling you that your wife/girlfriend is back home f*cking "Jodi" while you are away. DI's call you ugly, stupid, weak, worthless. And it doesn't end in boot-camp....Marines are a dysfunctional bunch and the abuse continues once you are out. There was a little pushing and shoving by DIs as well. I honestly hated the Marines. I wish I had joined the Army or Air Force instead, at least then you'd get to see Europe. In the Marines you get to see every third world crap hole in the Pacific. I feel sorry for the Marine recruit that killed himself... Raheel Siddiqui which is how I came to this site. We had a guy try to kill himself in boot-camp. Another threatened to kill himself and they both got released by the Marines (discharged). The Marines is not for everyone.

Image

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Looper5920 previously removed File:Marine Lieutenant, Parris Island.jpg from the article, and I agreed enough to do it again. It adds absolutely nothing to the content of the article. In fact, the only relation it has to this article is the fact that is was shot on this location. Page Field was not significantly notable as a glider base, nor was the temporary use of aviation here significant to the history of the installation.

Now, I do think it is a great image, and might be appropriate for United States Marine Corps Aviation, List of inactive United States Marine Corps aircraft squadrons, or Military glider. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 07:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remove picture. Adds no value to this article. FieldMarine (talk) 15:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ribbon Creek and Raheel Siddiqui

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Neither of these incidents are mentioned or linked in the article, which is a gross oversight. The Ribbon Creek Incident spawned a book a supposedly reformed recruit training. The 2016 death of Raheel Siddiqui has been heavily reported (Washington Post, New York Times, etc.) — and clearly has raised serious questions about the training regimine at MCPIRD.842U (talk) 11:58, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead an mention Siddiqui in the article. Drill instructors have also been implicated with spinning him in a dryer, on at least one occasion. Room and board has been reserved at Fort Leavenworth. 176.11.55.251 (talk) 05:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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