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NPOV

Refer to introductory statements about the following politicians:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_Scholz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Mattarella https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Rebelo_de_Sousa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_S%C3%A1nchez https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

If you'll notice, zero of these pages include vague political compass designations in their introductory statements. Instead, these attributions are made later, and from a more NPOV. Gasittig (talk) 18:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a very determined attempt on behalf of this candidate to edit this page in a way that focuses on how she has changed e.g. focusing on voter friendly policy changes or anecdotes, rather than actions or current policy. My understanding is that this in in step with the efforts by her supporters regarding 'de-demonisation'.

Unfortunately, this also violates NPOV.

The fairest way to approach this is to use what sources considered reputable by Wikipedia say about the candidate and to focus on clear description of current political position, policy and activities. This is what this page now does. Jw2036 (talk) 11:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused at the notion that putting the page in line with virtually every other politician on the encyclopedia - while still including the claim of her political compass positioning later in the paragraph in neutral terms - is in any way making some sort of claim about her changes.

Call me stubborn, but it's a determined attempt because this introduction is clearly different from the established neutral introductions.

Journalists aren't political scientists, and its repetition in journalistic circles doesn't create the vital need to introduce this article in a way that no other mainstream politician is. Gasittig (talk) 14:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do think it’s debatable whether she is truly “far right” but that’s a combination of WP:SYNTH from the article and me being a stupid American who associates the far right with less… “globally mainstream” positions. I haven’t read the sources yet. Dronebogus (talk) 01:24, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Literally every single source quoted labels her as "far-right", yet someone keeps changing to "centre-right"

Trying to soften the image before the election? One of the users responsible for the edits called another politician "commie" in another thread. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.253.37 (talk) 14:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I restored "far right" because it is very well referenced. Cullen328 (talk) 00:11, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So her political position is the same as of Hitler who is also labelled as "far-right" on wikipedia? Seriously? 77.252.72.92 (talk) 07:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They share a far-right political ideology. Other things make them distinct. Jdcooper (talk) 20:42, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It actually doesn't make sense because a label 'far-right' or 'far-left' doesn't constitute measurable and solid designation. Because how you measure how 'far' someone is on the spectrum and what that spectrum is. This notion, both far-left and far-right functions today as a form of insult (which started within the Soviet Union when dissident elements were called far-right no matter their political views). In my opinion she should be called a conservative, just this. Far-right notion is clearly added by biased, left leaning editor hence it is not neutral.

And as a side note, it is speculative if Hitler was rightist at all, some scholars claim he wasn't because he wasn't a conservative. Nazism was a revolutionary ideology but anti-Marxist, same as Fascism which derived from Italian Marxism as a rejection of it. 83.11.125.241 (talk) 09:15, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And you just stated that Marine le Pen share political ideology which is actually shocking. 83.11.125.241 (talk) 09:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, she is clearly inspired by Hitler, it is not a coincidence that her party has traditionally been a refuge for neonazis and Holocaust deniers, and that there were SS among its foinders. Of course her speech is not as radical as Hitler in the 30's cause we don't live in the same age, but yes, it is a well known fact that she and her family have always been known for their ideological proximity to the nazism. 2A02:9130:A03F:C6F4:F8FB:E1FF:FEB8:9E27 (talk) 05:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Mots Croisés"

In the section that deals with Le Pen's appearance on a TV programme called "Mots Croisés", in which she attacked François Mitterand, the name of the programme is translated as "Crossed Words". This is a purely literal, word for word translation. "Mots croisés" actually means a crossword puzzle. There may well be an intended pun here, in that the programme is apparently an opportunity for politicians to trade words with each other, but presumably the programme is supposed to solve some of the puzzles of politics. 2A02:C7C:AA2B:2B00:3CDA:CCA7:4D54:7E1 (talk) 12:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even more...it's like crossing swords, only with words :). So I think crossed words is actually a rather good translation which catches at least part of the "hidden" meaning. Lectonar (talk) 13:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

French Election

Her party is leading for now. Should this be mentioned in the article? 113.197.13.138 (talk) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Current readers come to Wikipedia for current news. Yes, mention. -- AstroU (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right politics in France

Are we allowed to add the category to her page? She has been described as such by various outlets. Firekong1 (talk) 17:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]