Talk:Mark Sargent (flat Earth proponent)

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New page from my sandbox. Please do improve it if you can. There could be a little more personal details from videos, but I'm sticking to credible sources. Notability: several news report and the Behind the Curve doc really establish the important role he plays in the movement. Robincantin (talk) 19:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

OK. Let's start a notability discussion. Is the guy who - according to skeptical critics as well as believers - almost single handedly sparked the modern flat Earth movement with his YouTube series (as documented in places such as the Netflix documentary on FE beliefs) not notable? RobP (talk) 22:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added several credible sources, including some that identify Sargent as a "prominent" or "leading" flat-earther who "launched" the modern movement and is its "main organizer". Added data on the size of his YouTube audience, which was absent from the article when the notability template was added by CommanderWaterford. I believe we're well above the bar now. Robincantin (talk) 01:19, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And I have added info from The New Yorker crediting Sargent with bringing the movement out of "relative darkness." RobP (talk) 03:39, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a problem with this article is it alleges he was a competitive professional video game player for a number of years. As support for this, it states he won a digital pinball tournament but the source for that claim is just an article which just states without citing the record that he won a pinball tournament. If he was ever a professional, tournament-winning gamer, that claim should be backed up with his records, not with an article that just nakedly asserts the same. Arguably, what is notable about him is that he is a flat-earther, not that he alleges to have won a single digital pinball tournament; maybe the wiki page could either include proof of this claim or just remove it since probably nobody cares and it could be a lie. 208.68.254.71 (talk) 14:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is why flat earth theories exists

So that people like Mark can have a wikipedia page and there are Netflix shows and other things about them. It is all about being someone even if they are portrayed as a fool. This whole page should be removed. Darrenaustralia (talk) 22:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. People like this dope and Icke are more dangerous than one might think: stupid beliefs lead to more stupid beliefs. 50.230.251.244 (talk) 12:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]