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Which Peter Smith?
[edit]The reference to Peter Smith links to a disambiguation page. It is not immediately clear which Peter Smith is meant. -Ahruman 13:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) This was already fixed, to refer to Peter H. Smith's page; I also added a middle initial of H to the disambiguation page. -Bruce38 21:20, 12 Jan 2018 (UTC)
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History section and Mars society's mission, goals are mixed and merged into one section. Need to separate for betterment
[edit]Hi Wikipedians,
The history section and Mars society's mission, objectives, goals are mixed and merged into one single section; making a rather incoherent transition. For better presentation and from reader's point of view, I think we need to separate them into separate sections.
I will only separate them as two sections without altering any of the original content. Please let me know if anyone has a better opinion or suggestion. Thanks
Best, Suman B R
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Australia and New Zealand Mars Society Chapters
[edit]Australia and New Zealand also have chapters of the Mars Society.
NZVortex (talk) 12:03, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
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New Edits to Come
[edit]Hello everyone! I am a student, and my assignment is to pick a Wikipedia article that I could make a significant contribution to. I look forward to improving this article with you! I will mainly be expanding on the information for each chapter around the world.
Update on 9 Sept 2018:
- Fixed and eliminated some of the titles for consistency and redundancy.
- Sentences were added/edited in the Australia and New Zealand sections.
- Citations were added/edited in the Bulgaria, Spain, New Zealand, and Australia sections.
Cpumeran (talk) 9:40, 3 September 2018 (PDT)
Chapters
[edit]I’ve removed some chapters that don’t seem to be in any way notable or in some cases even have many members. There was no information of any value to readers other than the bald fact of the chapters’ existence (and not even that, in one case), which can be gleaned from the website. Andyjsmith (talk) 07:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Merger proposal
[edit]I think Mars Society Australia should be merged to here, as it is not a very notable chapter of Mars Society with poor sourcing. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 08:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, I think a lot of articles from Category:Mars Society should also merged to here, because individually there's so little you can write about them from reliable sources. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:53, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Unexpectedlydian (talk · contribs) 23:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Jumping in to start this review. I will be leaving comments in the table below. I should get round to adding comments tomorrow. Looking forward to getting started! Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 23:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). |
Source check Häuplik-Meusburger, Sandra; Bishop, Sheryl; O’Leary, Beth (2021)
Cusack, Stacy L. (1 January 2010)
S. F. Portree, David (March 2000) Portree, David S. F. (15 April 2013)
Hogan, Thor (May 2007)
Blakeslee, Sandra (18 August 1998)
Conroy, J Oliver (17 February 2022) Bishop, Sheryl L. (2011)
Hall, James (8 March 2002) Mars Society (23 August 2001) "About the Mars Society". Mars Society Foust, Jeff (26 February 2015) Goodyear, Dana (19 October 2009) "Steering Committee – 2022". Mars Society Wall, Mike (22 September 2016) CBC News. 6 June 2011 Rayome, Alison DeNisco (3 March 2020) Vargas-Cuentas, Natalia I.; Roman-Gonzalez, Avid (June 2017)
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To help assess this criteria, I have looked at the Mars Society website to get a sense of their main activities and history. This article covers:
It could include the following key details (with suggested sources): Background and founding
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. |
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How to improve the article Some suggestions following the review, alongside those in the table above:
Hope this helps, but as mentioned below, I'm very happy to take more questions!
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Replies by the nominator
[edit]I write my replies here to avoid cluttering the table. Forgive me if I had complicated the GA reviewing process. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:07, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- 1a: Done, with some adjustments to the recommendations for the lead and the Mars analog habitats section. The "collaboration issues" in the source are quote "Results from this first attempt [...] revealed a number of issues (e.g., multicultural conflicts, coping inefficiencies) that underscored the need for longer studies situated in real environments that pose true isolation and risk.", and I paraphrased that on Wikipedia as "which revealed cultural conflicts and inadequate coping strategies".
- 1b: I expanded to lead to talk about how MDRS and FMARS operates in general and splited the "Mars analog habitats" section to be "Construction of Mars analog habitats" and "Research and engagement activities" for clarity. I don't really want to combine both of the sections because I want to expand on other aspects of the Mars Society's activities.
- 2b:
- "The first four-month-long mock mission was done in early 2007, revealing collaboration issues between the crews" Removed "early"
- "Except for the pod, the modules are connected via tunnels" fixed
- "In December that year, the MDRS's construction in Hanksville, Utah" fixed
- "Two years later at the next Mars launch window, two launch vehicles, one carrying crew and habitat, and the other carrying another factory and Earth-return vehicle for the next mission" The details is in "In January 1999, NASA would launch two more Ares rockets. One payload would be identical to the 1996 propellant..." in the source, which I subtracted January 1999 by December 1996 to get roughly 2 years. If you want, I can provide an additional source for that.
- "one-twentieth of the Mars plan in NASA's Space Exploration Initiative" yes, that's what the text is referring to, as the whole source is talking about SEI
- "with four thousand mails and emails sent to Zubrin by readers" fixed
- "On 13 August 1998" Well, this is complicated. The source is written in Aug. 18, 1998 and says "And, last week, ... the founding convention of the Mars Society" and "four-day event -- it ended Sunday". By deduction, that is 13 August 1998. This is a pretty roundabout way to get the date because there is literally no other source that says the full date (not even the Mars Society itself) but I'm more than happy to chop the days if you want to.
- "The first Mars analog facility of the Mars Society is the Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station..." Yes, the Mars Society built and owned the station. Rephrased a bit to make it more clear.
- "The MARS Oz is also in the planning phase by the Australian Mars Society" seems so as I found a source in October 2022, though the plan is not named "Mars Oz" anymore.
User:Unexpectedlydian, may you put the review on hold or even fail the review outright? Based on your comments at 3a and 3b, I think that I need a lot more time than what GAN allows in order for me to build up the article's content. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @CactiStaccingCrane, thank you for responding to my comments so quickly. I think that's a sensible request. I will complete all parts of the review first, then I think I will have to fail it based on criteria 3. If you're planning to add further content into the article, that's great and please do! However, I agree that it requires more time than the GA process usually allows for. If you have any questions at all please do get in touch :) Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 15:43, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Cocobb8 (talk · contribs) 23:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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100% reviewed
See what the criteria are and what they are not
1) Well-written
1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct
1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation
2) Verifiable with no original research
2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline
2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)
2c) it contains no original research
- {{GAIconList/icon|}y} 2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism
3) Broad in its coverage
3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic
3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)
4) Neutral:
4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each
5) Stable:
5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute
6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio
6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content
6b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions
Overall:
Comments:
[edit]@CactiStaccingCrane: I am starting this review. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 23:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
I read the article, and it reads quite well and can easily be understood. There are a couple of things that'd need to be fixed before I can approve for 1a) and 1b):
Since its founding, the Mars Society has been active with a series of events and research activities.
It might be better to replacewith
by something likeby organizing
to make it clear that Mars Society is coordinating those events.
The society's aims are garnering public support for human Mars missions, lobbying government and space agencies, and researching the effects on Martian crews via Mars analog habitats.
Redundant sentence, mostly all of what is said here was already mentioned in the lead. I leave it up to you if you want to rephrase it, move it or delete it.
He also noted that the popularity of Mars One had dwarfed the one of Mars Society and that the perceived absurdness of former's plan by the public was potentially detrimental to the later's reputation.
Did you meanof the former's
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With a duration of four days, the conference was attended by 750 persons and can be seen as a spiritual successor to the prior Case for Mars conferences.
Here, you need to mention by whom it was regarded as such, otherwise this violates NPOV.
Some of the invited were from the Mars Underground and those who had written to Zubrin about The Case For Mars.
Unreferenced, maybe citation 8 or 16 should be moved here?
The society also formulated plans to launch space-based experiments, which were never materialised though.
Language is too familiar here, consider changingthough
with a more formal expression.
Unfortunately, during transport from the United Kingdom to Krafla, Iceland, where it was to be deployed, the Euro-MARS sustained damage.
Consider removingunlikely
to meet the NPOV requirement.
The Mars Society is also planning to build another Mars analog station in Arkaroola, Australia, as of October 2022.
A little too outdated.
Once funding have been established, the Institute will then build its own campus.
Also needs to be updated and rephrased.
- User:Cocobb8, I appreciated that you've taken the time to review this article. Some of the points you've mentioned are things I absolutely need to fix, but with due respect, there are some other concerns you've mentioned that are not applicable. Addressing each bullet points one by one: CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed
- It is good practice that the lead summarizes information in the article's body, not for presenting new information, because some readers will only read the article's lede. It is better to be redundant than to not give enough context/information for the reader.
- Fixed, also split into two sentences to avoid awkward construction
- No, this sentence does not violate NPOV. "Spiritual successor" means that the Mars Society conventions are a de facto continuation of the Case for Mars conferences, and this is mentioned in the source after the sentence: "The Case for Mars conferences, which continued every three years until the mid-1990s when the Mars Society was created (this advocacy organization now holds an annual conference), were essentially a resurrection of the “softening up” process that had been started by the space community during the 1950s.". Also, I've split the sentence into two for clarity.
- Yes, my fault. Added a citation.
- Axed "though"
- I did not understand what you meant.
- This is the most up to date source that I can find, which counts both self-published/independent sources. The Mars-Oz habitat was not mentioned in TMS's website and the last update I can find on a TMS affiliated website was 7 years ago.
- Checking info...
- @CactiStaccingCrane: Thanks for fixing all these. You are right about bullet 4; my bad on that one. For bullet 7, it's just that the unfortunately seems that the article is taking a side
I have approved for criteria 1a and 1b. Thanks for the excellently formatted list of citations, no issues detected by reFill. I have not found any original research, all statements are related to a source, thanks for that.
No issues detected by IABot or Copyvio detector
I have conducted random spot-checks throughout the article, and have not found any issues related to verifiability.
Article addresses main aspects of the topic and makes good use of summary style.
Checking the article's talk page and history tabs, there isn't any edit war going on, validating the stability criteria.
Article is written from a neutral point of view, validating that criteria too.
Appropriate media is used throughout the article, all of them appropriately tagged with relevant copyright tags.
This concludes my review!
Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 20:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- ... that Elon Musk (pictured) was briefly a board member of the Mars Society before founding SpaceX? Source: Vance, Ashlee (2015). Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future. New York: HarperCollins. p. 99-100, 113. ISBN 978-0-06-230123-9. OCLC 881436803.Quote: "Musk’s first interactions with the aeronautics community were with an eclectic collection of space enthusiasts, members of a nonprofit group called the Mars Society. Dedicated to exploring and settling the Red Planet, the Mars Society planned to hold a fund-raiser in mid-2001" [...] "Musk took to the Mars Society right away and joined its board of directors. He donated another $100,000 to fund a research station in the desert as well." [...] "Founded in June 2002, Space Exploration Technologies came to life in humble settings."
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Improved to Good Article status by CactiStaccingCrane (talk). Self-nominated at 12:50, 9 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mars Society; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- If possible, could this hook be displayed on March 14, 15 or 16? This is because they are close to the expected launch date of the third SpaceX Starship test flight. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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@CactiStaccingCrane: Newness passes as a recent GA. QPQ not needed. The source is cited but I'm just wondering if this really is the only interesting fact that can be gleaned from this article. Would be interested in potentially seeing some ALTs. The picture isn't the greatest but technically meets requirements. A different picture that might pair with an ALT might be interesting here as well. GA eligibility confirmed. Preference for Alt 1 and Alt 2, no pic to be used. Seddon talk 09:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC) Seddon talk 09:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Mars Society's founding conference included a rancorous debate about the ethics of terraforming?
- I think the Elon Musk photo violates WP:DYKIMG ("Try to avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article ") RoySmith (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I understand why this hook is rejected now. How about:
- ALT2: ... that the Mars Society organizes the Rover Challenge Series for Martian rovers made by university students? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @CactiStaccingCrane: could you note the sources used for both ALT's Seddon talk 15:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 can be verified in page 309-311 in Morton, Oliver (2003). Mapping Mars: Science, Imagination, and the Birth of a World. Picador. ISBN 978-0312422615..
- ALT2 can be verified in Wieczorek, Luiza; Piech, Wiktor; Cybulski, Bartłomiej; Kujawiński, Mateusz; Węgierska, Agnieszka (2018-12-30). "Participation in international robotics competitions as a new form of student travel". Turyzm (Tourism). 28 (2): 63–72. doi:10.2478/tour-2018-0016. hdl:11089/27873. ISSN 2080-6922. Archived from the original on 3 January 2023. Retrieved 3 January 2023.. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 06:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
We are all good! Seddon talk 09:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much Seddon! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- @CactiStaccingCrane: could you note the sources used for both ALT's Seddon talk 15:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I do not know who offered ALT1 but I like it the best. Bruxton (talk) 20:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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