Talk:Martinus Putuhena

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 06:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that an Indonesian road expansion project demolished the home of a former public works minister? Source: [1]
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Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 10:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: AGF on Indonesian-language source. Joofjoof (talk) 03:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Martinus Putuhena/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Juxlos (talk · contribs) 16:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 00:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I'll have a review written for the article some time this week. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Juxlos pinging you to make sure you've seen this. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot. Will start addressing this tonight. Juxlos (talk) 09:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Juxlos, the Kompas source is still a dead link and doesn't have an Internet Archive back up. But besides that, is this article ready for another look? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Give me a couple more days to fix up the last issues. Juxlos (talk) 05:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien: Alright, good for a second check. Juxlos (talk) 05:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Juxlos, the only remaining issue is that the link for the Kompas source still goes to a page that doesn't exist. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

The Kompas link was to a paywalled archive, I believe. Not sure why they never quite work, but it might be better to treat it as if it's an offline source. Added an alternative citation for his time and place of death. Juxlos (talk) 04:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

It's not an offline source unless it's actually accessible somewhere offline. If there is no way for the public to access the source, then it's no longer considered a published source and fails WP:V. Has the source been printed as part of a physical publication? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

It has been printed - but in 1982. I couldn't seem to access the archive website it used to be hosted on, I believe the newspaper have updated their paywall lately. Maybe better if I remove the sentence? Juxlos (talk) 04:40, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I won't make a more of an issue about it than I already have. I'll go ahead and promote it now! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

General notes:

• I've made a few of the simpler copyedits myself.
• Lots of sentences start with the word "after", including the start of a few paragraphs, which is a little distracting.

• Better now? Replaced some of the "afters" and restructured sentences.

• The article covers Putuhena's life, and that's good enough for GA. But it's still short, so if more details can be found, I encourage adding them some day in the future.

Lead:

• Consider adding the years he held these offices.

• Added.

• Putuhena was appointed to the State of East Indonesia initially as a compromise candidate for a security takeover, before the political situation resulted in a complete takeover which he supervised. – If I had only read the lead, I wouldn't know what this meant. It doesn't say what his appointment was or what takeover happened.

• Fair enough - does the new version look better?

• He continued to work under the government – This should say what he actually did or what position he held.

Early life and education:

• he moved to Tondano to continue his education under a scholarship, and then at an Algemene Middelbare School (AMS) in Yogyakarta – This sentence is throwing me off. It seems like it's saying "he moved to Tondano and then he moved at an Algemene Middelbare School.

• Is the new "to Tondano [...] to Yogyakarta" better?

• What's significant about the medical school STOVIA? Was he supposed to go there?

• Honestly, I don't remember. Looking back at the source, there was some fluffy words about it, but it doesn't seem appropriate. Probably wrote that sentence while under lack of sleep.

• Is "wet" civil engineering supposed to have quotations marks in it? Right now it looks like scare quotes.

• Probably not. Removed.

Public works:

• Putuhena was tasked with sabotaging the infrastructure on Lombok, but due to reluctance from the locals the extent of the damage was limited – How exactly did this work? It's not clear what's meant by "sabotaging" or how the locals were involved.

• Further explained

• The sentence starting with A member of the Indonesian Christian Party has several different ideas in it, and it should probably be split into two or three sentences.

• Done

East Indonesia:

• KNIL is not defined anywhere in the article. Also, is TNI supposed to be NIT?

• Separate. Clarified.

• Did anything come of his negotiations with South Maluku?

• No, and rereading the source that was a misleading statement. Updated.

Later life and career:

• Following his return from Indonesia – Where was he returning to? Or is this supposed to say he was returning to Indonesia, in which case where was he returning from?

• Should have been from East Indonesia, fixed.

References:

• I'm unable to access the Kompas source.
• Tri Hanggoro (2019) – Good.
• Direktorat Jenderal Kebudayaan (1991) – Seems good based on a rough machine translation.
• Leirissa (1985) pp. 47–48 – Good.
• Leirissa (1985) pp. 55–56 – Good. It looks like this also specifies what class he taught and says that it was common for government officials to be lecturers as well. Both of these might be good additions for the article.
• Leirissa (1985) p. 77 – Good.
• Leirissa (1985) p. 107 – Good. The source also mentions Suharto's reason for giving it to him, which could be added.

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