Talk:Marya Krasińska

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Same person as Maria Beatrix Krasińska?[edit]

Is this the same person as Maria Beatrix Krasińska?--Aciram (talk) 15:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think so, I'll reply in more depth at the other article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The date 1854 is from the source Svenskt biografiskt lexikon, and the name Graciosa is from Elgklou. They may simply have been mistaken, but on the other hand, the date 1850 and the name Beatrix has no reference whatsoever. I hope it is acceptable for me to be bold and merge the article of Maria Beatrix Krasińska (as it has no references whatsoever) to this article, and after that, this article can be adjusted in accordance with research. The only thing that differs is after all the deate of birth and one of her names, and that can more easly be adjusted in one article than two. I don't really have time, but no doubt others will.--Aciram (talk) 13:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add refs for Maria Beatrix Krasińska b. 1850, as I said, it's pretty clear this name and DOB are used in RS visible on GBooks. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Same person as Marya Krasińska?[edit]

Copied from Talk:Maria Beatrix Krasińska
Is this the same person as Marya Krasińska? The name of her spouse seem to be the same, her own name and birth- and death years seem to be partially the same. --Aciram (talk) 15:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Aciram: I did some digging and I believe the answer is yes. Zygmunt Krasinski had four children, see his bio which I recently expanded with RS. Only one of his two daughters was named Mary (Maria, Marya) and she married Edward Aleksander Raczyński. Regarding date of birth, Google Books shows a number of sources for query "Maria Beatrix Krasińska 1850 1884 -wiki". I cannot find any sources for the year 1854, so I think it's an error. I see you created the article on Swedish wiki as well, I highly recommend using footntoes (inline ciations) so we can verify which sources make what claims. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:10, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am convinced: this is indeed the same person. This article is a stub, which not only lacks footnotes: it has no references or sources whatsoever. The article can therefore be deleted at any time. It can be merged with Marya Krasińska without difficulty or controvsersy, and then that article can be developed by referenced aditions. That would be the most practical solution: to merge this one with Marya Krasińska, and then develop that article instead. I don't really have the time to do research now, and when I asked my question above, I did not fully know that it would be acceptable to be bold and merge this article because it has no sources. The only thing that differs is after all the deate of birth and one of her names, and that can more easly be adjusted in one article than two. I can perform the merging. I you contest it, you can simply revert my merging, and I will not object at all, bu to leave this article here would only be time wasting. --Aciram (talk) 13:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

I suggest the article is moved back to Maria Beatrix Krasińska (Marya is a rare variant of the name, and most sources I see use Maria, not Marya, when referring to Beatrix anyway). Maria Krasińska should be a disambig between her and Maria Ludwika Krasińska (also Madeleine Radziwiłł, whose pl wiki article is at pl:Maria Magdalena Radziwiłłowa and she bore the name Krasińska for a while). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]