Talk:Master C'baoth

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Naming[edit]

The [clocks reference time tools worldtime Star Wars databank entry] shows this character's name spelled Joruus C'baoth (lower-case B), which is how it appears in the books as well. Why isn't this format used for this article's title?

If it's not a technical limitation and if no one objects in the next few days, I'm going to move the article to reflect the correct capitalization of the name. --Corixidae | Talk - Contributions 18:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't too sure about the name myself, so move away. But be sure to catch all the redirects as well. --Maru (talk) 23:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Even now we're continuing to have problems with the name. Let me put this straight so that there won't be any more confusion. His name is Jorus C'baoth, not Jorus C'Baoth. Check the books. Outbound Flight always spells it C'baoth, and that's our primary source. Could someone fix the title. I'm not sure quite how to do it myself.Doncroft 17:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How is "C'baoth" pronounced? Cubs Fan 21:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is pronoucned Si-bay-oath. Does that help? -- Doncroft (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outbound Flight[edit]

I recently finished reading this book, and believe, me this article really abbreviates what happened to the Outbound Flight project. It wasn't Thrawn's plan to destroy it. Doriana (Sidious's agent) had a huge hand in that. Oh my goodness, it's just too complicated to explain. You would just have to read the book.

Also, there was a lot more to the original Jorus C'baoth than the article says. He is one of the most powerful Jedi masters I have seen in the literature. However, he was also one of the most...no...THE MOST arrogant, prideful, stubborn, and "I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do" jedi master in all of Star Wars literature. The article on him must be expanded. Perhaps I'll post later.

Would you? This article is, I'm afraid, a bit obsolete. It was comprehensive for its time, but as you pointed out, the NJO and prequels have caused more light to be thrown on his character. --maru (talk) contribs 00:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will. I have further studied the book Outbound Flight and believe it (and Master Jorus C'baoth) deserve a lot more attention than they get here. I'm am currently editing this page further, using as much care to accuracy as possible. I hope my expansions will be able to shed more light on the character and actions of Jedi Master C'baoth.--Doncroft 17:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article has improved a lot since my attempts at largescale expansion. I am pleased to see that others have gone in and improved my work. Well done. This article is looking better all the time.--Doncroft 17:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"It is believed that a tissue sample was procured from Jorus C'baoth during his tenure as Senator Palpatine's personal Jedi advisor (6/79-5/77)" - Just having read Outbound Flight, there is a line just before Outbound Flight leaves about the collection of samples from everyone boarding that vessel. It's on pgs. 182-83 of the paperback edition: "'And you'll need to stop by the Dreadnaught-One med-center,' Pakmillu added. 'The Supreme Chancellor's representative has instructed that all personnel be given a complete examination, including the taking of analysis-grade blood and tissue samples for shipment to Coruscant.'" This is probably how the samples of C'baoth make their way back to Palpatine. Interestingly, Obi-Wan and Anakin may also have given similar samples.

Huh. You know, Ive read the book through multiple times and Ive never noticed it. Thanks for bringing that up.SMegatron 10:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nameless one, you are brilliant! I don't think I ever would have caught that. Thank you for your contribution to the C'baoth fan club. lol Seriously thanks. That could very well explain where the DNA that Joruus C'baoth was created from came from. In fact, it might even be possible the Palpatine started growing Joruus C'baoth very shortly after the death of his host.--Doncroft 17:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A thought[edit]

The name of the article at the moment is that of Joruus C'baoth, the clone. Isn't that technically inaccurate? The article as is includes sections on the original from Outbound Flight as well as the clone from the Thrawn Trilogy for whom the article is named. I was thinking that the article should be moved to just C'baoth, as that would better describe both individuals. Regards. SMegatron 14:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have a good point. First of all, the last name is misspelled (it should not have an upper case B in it). Secondly, you are correct. This article is just as much about the original Master Jorus C'baoth as it is his insane Thrawn serving clone, Master Joruus C'baoth. Therefore, I'd suggest the titles Jorus C'baoth or Master C'baoth or just C'baoth. I don't think I'm at liberty to say exactly which of those three is the most appropriate. --Doncroft 01:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Im tending to gravitate towards Master C'baoth. Jorus C'baoth raises the same issues I mentioned above. Master C'baoth, though, is his title in both Outbound Flight and the Thrawn Trilogy. Thoughts?SMegatron 20:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Master C'baoth seems appropriate to me. Since the clone, Joruus C'baoth, actually believes himself to be the original C'baoth (part of his insanity) he demands to be and is referred to constantly as Master C'baoth so I believe this title is most appropriate. I, however, do not know how to change it.--Doncroft 01:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I do, having just tried it for one of the Transformers articles. Unless there's any objections, Ill probably try it at some point today or tomorrow.SMegatron 08:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, i have now moved Joruus C'Baoth to Master C'baoth for the reasons stated here. Any problems with that can be discussed here or on my talk page.SMegatron 14:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe now that we have managed to fix all the errors regarding C'baoth's name. Looks good, but I'm going to do one final sweep just to make sure.--Doncroft 21:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction[edit]

The first several lines under the article title talk explicitly about the clone, and the clone only, still as if the name of the article was Joruus C'baoth. This should be corrected to something like this:

Master C'baoth is the name of a jedi of the old republic.....and also the name of a clone after the Galactic Civil War......both were.....and so on. We need to make it clear that these two separate people had the same name and are very closely connected in the Star Wars universe.--Doncroft 21:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ive cleaned up the intro in the manner you suggested. Regards.SMegatron 10:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In-universe[edit]

Anyone seriously interested in improving the article should consider adding some real world related info, e.g. regarding the concept, creation, and/or function of the character within the Star Wars narrative etc. Please consult our writing about fiction guideline, which also includes a list of exemplary articles.

There are currently three featured articles on Star Wars characters: Palpatine, Padmé Amidala, and Jabba the Hutt. What sets them aside from most of the other SW character articles is the effort to write from the real world perspective. Pay particular attention to paragraphs like Jabba the Hutt#Concept and creation, Palpatine#Concept and creation, and Padmé Amidala#Characterization.

Also take a look at Darth Vader, which despite its lack of reliable, published third-party secondary sources features interesting sections on e.g. #Character creation and concepts and Darth Vader as a #Cultural figure.

Even though reliable sources may be tough to come up with, any effort to introduce coherently written real world aspects will be greatly appreciated, because it contributes to the depth of the article and accurate coverage of the topic, and thereby makes for an improved reading experience and increases the encyclopedic value of the article.

—AldeBaer 15:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Redirect[edit]

This is entirely in-universe plot summary, with not citations to third-party sources to establish notability. I am redirecting this to List of Star Wars characters. --EEMIV (talk) 13:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]