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Source[edit]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/how-trump-betrayed-the-general-who-defeated-isis

Kobane or Kobani[edit]

Should the last name of his nom de guerre be spelled Kobani or Kobane in the title? Both spellings are used in sources, but Kobani is the one used for the city that he chose his nom de guerre for. Any thoughts? -Thespündragon 14:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I guess your solution to redirect the pages to Mazlum Kobane was just fine. Thank you. Lean Anael (talk) 07:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Spelling

CNN: Masloum[1]
WaPo[2]
The Hill[3]
The Week[4]
NBC[5]
TheNewYorker[6]
etc--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 22:33, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
MSN[7]--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
NYT[8]--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:57, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WSJ[9]--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:57, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
USStateDept[10]--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:59, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
CBS News[11]--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BBC[12]--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:01, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Mazlum" and "Mazloum" are both in use, here are some English language sources using the former

Kurdistan24 [13]
Al Jazeera [14]
Defense Post [15]
France24 [16]
TRT [17]
Tribune [18]
etc

both spellings were also in use in the time when he used the NDG Mazlum Kobane, see these articles by NBC and the Washington Post(paywalled). I would argue that Mazlum is a more accurate rendering of the original Kurdish Mazlûm than Mazloum, as the Kurdish û corresponds with the english 'u' or 'oo' used in words such as 'commune', et cetera. -Thespündragon 23:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As someone had deleted the "wp:REDIRECT" with the alternative /ou/ spelling, will move blp to there (thus afterward a redirect at the /u/ spelling will appear with its target back to here at the "new" /ou/ alternative sp.)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 00:56, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I did so here (diff). Thanks (IAC I believe there should really be non-red - i.e at least as much as redirect - at each spelling...)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reversing previous position as CMDR Abdi now uses the spelling Mazloum on his Twitter account, which would seem to confirm that he currently prefers the Mazloum translation/romanization, making it unambiguous which spelling can be considered "more correct".-Thespündragon 04:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

fwiw also note monsieur Abdi's idiosyncratic use of the lone 'Hawar' alphabetic diacritic over the final /i/ in Abdi: Mazloum Abdî - which variant also makes its way into some news reports.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

middle name

a 2014 The New Yorker piece explains significance of "[The] Kobani[-an]"--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 17:39, 29 October 2019 (UTC) also this PBS piece "Flashback: How US Kurds Defeated ISIS in Kobani Syria"--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 18:29, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SETA as a source?[edit]

Someone tried to introduce info sourced with the SETA Vakfi a Foundation that in several articles I read of the foundation calls the YPG a terrorist organization and/or the same as the PKK. I think this is not a good unique source for Info about Abdi. See: WP:NPOV Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's a cite error now (footnote 1) which ought to be corrected. --Semsurî (talk) 19:13, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For now, I've filled in the citation; as opposed to simply naming the authors, I've linked to the actual source. Controversial or not, please don't revert: use the talk page to discuss this source until the matter is resolved. All I've done is linked to it appropriately. Thanks. GhostOfNoMeme (talk) 00:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Turkish propaganda outlet was used primarily for the dating for his various roles within the PKK (most of which we already had sources for), I believe there may be a more reliable source with the same information, though possibly not in english. (?) I only used the (extremely biased) source as it is what we already had in the page. I'll see if I can find a better source, though it may take a few days. -Thespündragon 21:31, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like we can cut out the SETA citation soon, due to most of the pieces of information we have been using it for now being in better sources. -Thespündragon 03:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SETA is probably not as bad as Hawar was, by news, Kurdistan24, Rudaw, etc. If you choose to use citations from one side then you've got to show the other side. This, so far, has been lacking from most articles dealing with Kurdish issues. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:18, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So a pro-turkish "think tank" calling Mazloum Abdi a terrorist and basically parroting word for word Turkish states view on the YPG, PKK and Mazloum Abdi is "not as bad as" Hawar by Kurdish news websites such as Kurdistan24/Radaw".. I think I have heard enough. Lets put aside that Turkey is at war with the PKK and currently also with the YPG. You think a source set up in 2006, by the Turkish state, obviously controlled by Turkey's current president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan which has its hand in everything should have more say or equal say regarding Kurds on Kurdish topics. Interesting.--TataofTata (talk) 11:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Thespoondragon. And well to Ibn Kulthoum, I think you find very few on wikipedia who'd agree with you. SETA is a no-go for articles on Kurds or Turkish opposition. No other source than a Turkish (influenced) one, sees the YPG or SDF or a Gülen Teacher as terrorists. And since SETA is in this way unreliable, the very most on Wikipedia and also about 99% of the non-turkish journalists don't use SETA as a source. It is only a good advice. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SETA is heavily being used to dictate this article and I doubt a Turkish "think-tank" with ties to the Turkish state should be taking the lead on anything, even dates.--TataofTata (talk) 11:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]