Talk:McEwan's/GA1

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Reviewer: Puffin (talk · contribs) 11:53, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. See also belongs at the top of the section, not below it (in the Beers section).

"The current McEwan's logo" - Avoid the word current, it becomes outdated.

"In Scotland it is the most popular ale brand" - Avoid the word popular, it is a peacock term.

"It is the most popular ale brand in Scotland where it enjoys" - Peacock term

"It is the most popular premium draught ale in Scotland" - Peacock term

"the second most popular premium canned ale" - Peacock term

"It was introduced in the 1970s as lager became more popular" - Peacock term

Just a suggestion, but I think that when you refer to percentages in the article (e.g 90 per cent), it would flow better to place 90 % there instead. Be sure to but a non breaking space (   ) between numbers and units.

I would also suggest wiki linking countries such as South Africa and India in the History section as a reader may want to find some background information on these countries.

Do any of those breweries have articles? For example, the Fountain Brewery in Fountainbridge. If they do, I would wiki link them.

2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.

FN 20 is a dead link, rendering the following statements unsourced, so you need to provide a new citation for them: "A pale ale also known as 'Light'. It is described as having a light roast flavour and a touch of sweetness."

"A bitter. It is described as 'a rich, smooth and creamy ale with a subtle hop aroma'."

"Described as being 'full-bodied with a sweet roast flavour'."

FN 21 is also a dead link, which makes this statement unsourced:

"A best scotch. Its sales are concentrated in the Tyneside region. During the 1980s and early 1990s it was marketed there as "The one you've got to come back for"."

The following statements are unsourced anyway:

"Until 2004 it was available in bottles and cans as McEwan's Pale Ale."

"St Helens RLFC – 1995 to 1999"

"The current McEwan's logo was introduced in the 1930s and depicts Frans Hals' Laughing Cavalier." This is mentioned in the lead section, but is not mentioned anywhere else in the article and has no citation, therefore it is unsourced and needs a citation.

2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). See below the table.
2c. it contains no original research. It might, but I can't assess this until the dead links are replaced.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. I think the article would benefit from an infobox. It would provide more information quickly and would link it to common related articles.

I think that the article could be extended to contain more key points, having the history there is great, but I still think there should be some information on things such as marketing, the global markets, any variants, composition or any merchandise. Of course, these topics are just suggestions, but I would like to see one or two more sections of content. I would then feel that the topic is adequately covered.

3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. I can't verify this where there are failed verification. For example, you say "It was introduced in the 1970s as lager became more popular. Originally 4.1 per cent ABV, it was reduced to 3.6 per cent in 2000." But the source contains no page numbers or any possible link to an online article that can be checked to ensure that it is neutral.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. The image next to the lead section needs a caption. As I said earlier, I think it should be included in an infobox.
7. Overall assessment. This article is not currently ready for good article status, so I will not be listing it at this time. Please consider the points raised above and after working on it, take it to WP:Peer review and then please renominate at WP:GAN. I am sure that when these issues are resolved, the article will easily pass and become a good article! Puffin Let's talk! 14:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The references need sorting. Here are the problems:

FN 1: You need to use {{cite web}} for this and provide the author, publisher, publishing date and access date. See Wikipedia:Bare URLs.

FN 2: The link used on this reference does not lead where you want it to, it seems to be a book, so you should use {{cite book}} and include the author, publishing date and page number.

FN 3: This is the same as FN 2, you can use Template:Rp for different page numbers, or name your references using {{cite book}} so the reference isn't duplicated.

FN 4: You need to use {{cite web}} for this and provide the author, publisher, publishing date and access date.

FN 6: What makes this reliable? Needs author.

FN 7: You need to use {{cite web}} for this and provide the author, publisher, publishing date and access date.

FN 8: You need to use {{cite web}} for this and provide the author, publisher, publishing date and access date.

FN 9: You should use {{cite news}}.

FN 10: You need to use {{cite web}} for this and provide the author, publisher, publishing date and access date.

FN 11: You need to use {{cite book}} and provide a publishing date.

FN 13: You need to use {{cite news}}. Also, why do you say "the faintest whiff of city's beer tradition left" in the reference? Is it a quote?

FN 14: Dead link, needs to be replaced.

FN 15: Should use {{cite news}} or {{cite web}}.

FN 16: Should use {{cite news}} or {{cite web}}.

FN 18: Should use {{cite news}}.

FN 19: I don't know what this is, but it needs to use a ref template and link somewhere if it can.

FN 20: Dead link, needs to be replaced.

FN 21: {{cite journal}} maybe? Multi page PDFs need page numbers.

FN 22: Should use {{cite news}}.

FN 23: Needs the appropriate reference template, it is a multi page PDF and so requires page numbers.

FN 24: You need to use {{cite web}} for this and provide the author, publisher, publishing date and access date.

FN 25: Dead link, needs to be replaced.

FN 26: Needs the appropriate reference template, it is a multi page PDF and so requires page numbers.

FN 27: Needs the appropriate reference template, it is a multi page PDF and so requires page numbers.

FN 28: I don't know why it leads here. You also need to use {{cite web}}.

FN 29: You need to use {{cite web}} for this and provide the author, publisher, publishing date and access date.

FN 30: It seems to be a blog and so is not reliable.

FN 31: Should use {{cite news}}. Puffin Let's talk! 12:56, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]