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Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: has already been moved Kotniski (talk) 12:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

McKim, Mead, and White → McKim, Mead & White — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC) This is the proper styling of the firm's name. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is confirmed by:

New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission; Dolkart, Andrew S.; Postal, Matthew A. (2009). Postal, Matthew A. (ed.). Guide to New York City Landmarks (4th ed.). New York: John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-0-470-28963-1.
White, Norval & Willensky, Elliot (2000). AIA Guide to New York City (4th ed.). New York: Three Rivers Press. ISBN 978-0-8129-3107-5.

Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Work by the Present Partners of McKim, Mead & White, Architects is the title of a book issued by the firm. Note comma and ampersand. The New York City Landmarks Commission has treated us to bronze plaques where italicised book titles are rendered by underlining, doubtless reproducing typescript! Oi!--Wetman (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some implementations of wikimedia don't handle titles with ampersands very well. Would usability be increased with the current title? Racepacket (talk) 17:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"McKim, Mead and White" would be fine if the ampersand is a problem, what's not fine is the trailing comma after "Mead", which doesn't appear anywhere that I can find. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Layout redesign- Comments wanted. Photo Gallery and InfoBOX[edit]

Dear contributors, I'd to make a few changes to this article, since MMW is my favorite archit. firm and I have done a lot of research on them. I do not know how to make a photo album/gallery, but I would like your comments and help. I envision one by era, eg. 1870-90, 90s and 1900s. OR by Designer. Below you will read, that I got "permission" to move the current photo in Upper Right corner. Thanks, Ron

Original Message ----- From: David Shankbone To: Ron Rice Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Wiki photo- Shankbone

Hi Ron - thanks for such a thoughtful and kind note. I don't mind if you move it at all - just like everyone else on WP, I expect my contributions to be edited mercilessly. If you think it improves the article to move it down then you should. Fascinating architects - I'm with you on that. Dave On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Ron Rice <RonRice@writeme.com> wrote: Dear David "Shankbone" Miller, I am very impressed! Your free work is tremendous as are your photos. I wish I had your talent, as I'd love to take better photos of all the MM&W buildings in NYC. Maybe we can team up some day. I am compiling a list and map. I have a question on moving your MM&W lead photo.- Do you have any issue with moving it to a gallery of the other photos? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKim,_Mead,_and_White I have studied MM&W for many years and Stanford White & his work is almost an infatuation. I have put together this INFOBox to add to the site in it's usual Upper Right corner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RonRice/Table I would like to prevent hurting your feelings if we move your photo to down below. It is an excellent photo, but not the most noted one of MM&W, since all the partners were dead or retired by the time that NY Admin. Bldg was built and designed by William M. Kendall. I would recommend we use the Penn Station archive photo or the Madison SQ Garden by Stanford White as the key primary Photo on top. Please give me your OK. rr

RonRice (talk) 00:22, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ron: The amount of gallery you're talking about adding to the article will almost certainly be objected to, as galleries are supposed to be used sparingly. There are already a fair number of images in the article, but there is room for more, especially along the right hand side in the list of buildings. I suggest you start there rather than adding galleries. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The infobox you've made up is interesting, but probably not good to add. You'd be better off converting that information to prose and adding a new section for it. If you want to add an infobox, how about taking a look at {{Infobox architectural practice}}, which would be more appropriate. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Wikipedians: with a little time on my hands I have tried to clean up and improve some of the most egregiously bad biographies of American architects, including that of Charles Willard Moore. This entry is one of the worst I have read on any architect, let alone perhaps the most important American architect of the turn of the nineteenth century. I am going to try to put it into proper order and remove some of the most ridiculous portions of it, including the ridiculous quote from Mosette Broderick's book, an absolute travesty of architectural history that should never have been published (the reviews make this clear). Hewittarch (talk) 02:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lists to tables ... and Penn Station[edit]

These lists are useful but not very digestible at the moment. They'd be more informative if formatted as sortable tables, so readers could see buildings in alphabetical order, or by city, as well as by date.

BTW I'd agree with the old comments above that the lead image is not really the right one; Penn Station would be a better choice, as stated. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I entirely agree with you about Penn Station, but I'm willing to give it a try. I've put Penn Station in the lede and moved the Muni Building down into the article. As for the sortable tables - sounds good, but I'm not a table-maven, and I don't think I' know how to do it. Maybe someone else does. BMK (talk) 05:23, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I guess I'll have to obey the WP:SOFIXIT thingy then... here goes. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:37, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Set up the tables, used up the old Gallery. Names and places may need some rationalisation with local knowledge (eg do we sort by street, district, or city?). I've got rid of leading "The"s to make alphabetical order a bit more logical. Hope you like the result; at least it may show the way ahead. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Shouldn't Article Have an Architectural Infobox?[edit]

Shouldn't this article have an architectural infobox as part of its presentation? As one of the preeminent architectural firms of global history, shouldn't there be an Infobox designed for architectural firms? Shouldn't it be here? Stevenmitchell (talk) 15:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]