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BEFORE I add the contentious truth[edit]

It is said that the reason the UTE slayed Meeker is because he forced the plow upon them.

The UTE had held a long tradition of horse racing. The UTE, and many western Native Americans were masters of the horse. They rode them bareback, meaning they used NO saddle. Imagine riding a galloping horse, at full speed, and then trying to launch an arrow from a bow. Quite a feat.

The white Europeans had mastered horses only through the use of saddles with stirrups which was a technology the Europeans stole from the Mongols. In fact, interesting story, the main reason the Mongols were so powerful is that they enslaved Chinese towns to make them iron stirrups. This was the beginning of the iron age and they used "pig iron" which is a soft metal. With the stirrup the rider could "stand up" on the horse and get a much better shot from his bow and arrow.

So the UTE were master horsemen with a strong tradition of racing. The main reason for the massacre was, actually, because of the racing. What Meeker did, in his genius way, was to take the plow 2000 miles from the East Coast all the way to Meeker Colorado, a tiny little town near Steamboat Springs, CO. And the "Indian Agents" got there with the plow ready to "show the natives how to use it" and they drove the god damned iron blade directly through the aboriginal race track. How did the UTE react? THEY KILLED EVERYBODY.

Stupid Meeker. This belongs on the front page. I will seek a viable source to tell this story and will begin seeking it now.--unsigned by Bidimaker 12:55, 5 December 2016‎ Bidimaker (talk)

Ok, do you have reliable, secondary sources (like books, mainstream newspapers, magazines) for the content? If so, go for it. I AGF and assume that the content and the tone will be encyclopedic and objective.--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do not. This was told to me by cowboys. I need to find sources, hence my talking here before talking it to the front page ;-) --Bidimaker (talk) 20:48, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bidimaker, Ok, as I remember, some of the sources in the article go into more detail. I just didn't understand enough of the history to be able to expand any further.

There are also some news sources and books. For google books, there's a really cool tool where you just insert a google books url and it formats the citation here. It's like magic.--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Flora Price[edit]

flora Price and her son were among the people taken by the Utes after the battle at White River I.A. She wrote about what happened, and her account is at least partially included in "Women of the WEST" by P.J. Hunt in the Senior Voice of October 2021 (Vol. 41, No. 11), p. 2. Wolfgang Lambdin: Fort Collins, Colorado. 199.127.133.181 (talk) 20:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

why is this called by the (popular in Anglo accounts) a massacre, whereas many other Wikipedia pages that are commonly called massacres are called "battles," "attacks" or some other neutral term? 199.127.133.181 (talk) 20:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]