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Underground Cave

What does an above ground cave look like to a Meenlock? Leitmotiv (talk) 19:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't tell you that, but many caves begin above ground and do not go below ground, so I figure it is better to specify that they only live below ground and would not be spotted at a cave mouth for example. 2600:1700:E820:1BA0:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 03:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You can't tell me that? But you're the one who reverted, so the onus is kind of on you to explain how a cave starts above ground. By definition a cave is always underground. Caves don't occur in the air. Is there a weird fantasy version of caves made out of something that's not the ground? Leitmotiv (talk) 05:50, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are cave mouths not usually (or at least often) above ground, often going on for some distance before descending into the underground? Therefore at least part of the cave is not underground? If the cave mouth and opening of a cave were not above ground, how would humans and other animals enter them? If the entirety of a cave was underground, how would a living creature enter the cave if said creature was not already underground somehow? But whatever, if you really want to remove the word "underground" I won't revert it again. 2600:1700:E820:1BA0:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 23:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cave mouth is a vague undefined term, I wouldn't get too hung up on it. Any cave, as a whole, is underground, and nowhere else, unless this cave has some strange fantasy properties. But I'll endeavor to entertain you with some answers. A mouth of a cave could be any sort of things. But in a nutshell it's where the surface strata has a breach, allowing entry under ground. If you are in an entrance "area" but there is no rock above you, you aren't in the cave yet. If this is the cave mouth you are referring to, then it's not technically a cave at that point. The cave begins when strata is above you. Anything prior to that is something else, like a crack, crater, collapse, sinkhole, whatever. I think what you are trying to describe is a cave entrance in the side of a hill or mountain, where you enter the cave horizontally as opposed to vertically. That still doesn't change the definition of a cave though. A mountain or hilltop, is still the surface ground if you are within it. I thought maybe you might be also referring to floating islands of land, which in that case you would definitely want to make a distinction of a what kind of cave, but at that point you wouldn't be calling it an underground cave, you would be calling it something altogether different. Leitmotiv (talk) 00:12, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]