Talk:Mercyful Fate/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: PortlandOregon97217 (talk · contribs) 08:18, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The only citation I have a problem with is #3 and how it says CBS demanded they sing in their language. That sounds contentious to me and I don't think a youtube clip is sufficient.

Also the one linking to http://www.allmusic.com/artist/mercyful-fate-mn0000343954 saying that he was tired of their satanic sound and wanting to sound more "commercial". I'm not sure about the refs in this article and I would need a second opinion on them.

I don't think it sounds to good how it segues into talking about King Diamond in After Disbanding and details his other side projects. But I guess it's a GA and not featured so thats ok for now I guess.

" While closer to thrash metal than black metal by today's standards, many of these groups helped established the style on which future black metal artists would later build upon". I think that would qualify as OR. I mean, As a metal fan I have seen the movie that it links, and I don't recall them discussing king diamond in depth, or anything more than possibly a trivial reference.

So, I would ask that the concerned parties here ask for a second opinion on the citations, because I do not feel qualified to judge the merit of these citations. In the mean time, maybe you guys can fix/adjust what I mentioned? PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:58, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Holy crap King Diamond ROCKS. I couldn't resist when I saw Mercyful Fate! PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 08:18, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So... what's going on with the review? It's been almost ten days.--SilverBullitt (talk) 15:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Comment:: I would like to add a few comments to this review of a very important heavy metal band. Mercyful Fate were pioneers of metal and were one of the few bands which defined black metal for the many groups founded in the 1990s. I think that a section about the reception that the band received in its various incarnations should be added to the article. In fact, their early and most significant accomplishments were not easily recognized by the press, which heavily criticized the music, the shows, the appearance of King Diamond and the Satanic lyrics. Another part that bothers me are the early years of the band, when Mercyful Fate travelled all over Europe with the most important metal bands of the time and befriended Metallica, which supported them in many shows. I think that something about those tours should be mentioned in the article. About the influences, critics and both Shermann and Denner acknowledged the influence of Judas Priest on their music, which should be added. About the legacy, I would add something about the influence of Mercyful Fate on the many Scandinavian black metal bands founded in 1990s. Finally, the 'Associated Acts' line in the infobox should be filled with at least Force of Evil and King Diamond. Lewismaster (talk) 11:41, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the points you made, the problem is finding reliable sources for the information. I try to improve the article as much as I can, but like I said, it's not easy finding the sources.--SilverBullitt (talk) 08:29, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You could start with Lords of Chaos - The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground by Michael Moynihan and Didrik Søderlind (isbn = 0-922915-48-2, but easily available for download on the web), a book detailing the birth of Scandinavian black metal, which cites Mercyful Fate as one of the main influences on the movement and explains the cultural and musical origins of black metal. The relationship with Metallica is partially explained in Justice for All: the Truth About Metallica a biography by Joel McIver (isbn=978-1847727978). Unfortunately, articles and criticism about Mercyful Fate's music are scattered in multiple issues of Kerrang!, Metal Hammer and other magazines from the 80s and in reference books like Martin Popoff's Collectors Guide to Heavy Metal series. I can try to dig out some references from my old collection of magazines. Besides the usual King Diamond banter, I think that you could search for interviews to Shermann and Denner on the web and extract from those any info useful to enhance the article. Keep on working on the article and it will be great! Lewismaster (talk) 11:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Response to GA Review: I fixed most of the problems mentioned in the GA review above. Hope it helps.--SilverBullitt (talk) 07:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since the issues are addressed and the reviewer seems to have forgotten this, I'll pass the article. Wizardman 22:48, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]