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Midal vs Magdala

"Migdal is built on the likely location of the classic era Magdala - a major Jewish town on the shores of the Lake of Galilee, which was destroyed during the First Jewish-Roman War in the 1st century CE." --- This is at least misleading, since the believed location of Magdala is about 2km away to the SE on the lake shore, where al-Majdal stood. What might be true, but I don't know it to be true, is that the lands of Migdal now include that location. If there is a source for that, it can be added with the correct wording. If the ancient location of Magdala does not even lie in the lands of Migdal, I don't see why it should even be mentioned. Zero^talk 13:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why you bring that here, you should've just removed it. Anyway I did it about a second ago.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 18:51, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My guess: experience, Bolter....experience....Huldra (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Returned to bold editing a few months ago, doing good so far. Back to the subject, Madjal/Magdala are indeed within Migdal's jurisdiction. I can try and find sources to add that it is in the town's territory, and I believe the site is also ran by the council but for some odd reasons there aren't many sources bout' this place online, and I probably won't spend the 200 shekels on gasoline to get there.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 22:07, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It appears that similar considerations apply to the ancient synagogue. The source doesn't report its precise location, but in Hadashot Arkheologiyot vol 125, ca. p1120 it is shown in the Madgala complex. Zero^talk 00:17, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lena, Anna (2013-10-06). "Magdala 2007" (125). Hadashot Arkheologiyot – Excavations and Surveys in Israel. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

Lena, Anna (2013-12-31). "Magdala 2008" (125). Hadashot Arkheologiyot – Excavations and Surveys in Israel. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

Pringle, Denys (2009). The Churches of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem: The cities of Acre and Tyre with Addenda and Corrigenda to Volumes I-III. Vol. IV. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-85148-0. ...p. 271 (grid number 1986.2477) also mentions the church, alas, the only source Pringle gives is:
Abu 'Uqsa, H. (1997). Migdal. ESI, 16: 34-5, fig. 35.

....User:Zero0000, do you think anyone can get hold of that article and send it to Bolter? Huldra (talk) 22:51, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note - Migdal's juristriction extends down to the Sea of Galilee and includes the site of Magdala. This is clearly visible on any map - even google maps or the official govmap.gov.il site - [1]. As such - Magdala is fully incorporated in Migdal.Icewhiz (talk) 06:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is a whole article on ancient Magdala. If modern Midgal has expanded that far, it can be mentioned. It isn't a reason for a mass duplication of content, which is our practice even for cities built exactly on ancient sites when the ancient site has its own article. Zero^talk 11:21, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe this is an "expansion" - but rather the state of affairs from circa 1949. Migdal junction is built more or less on the Magdala site - with a shopping center, restaurants/eateries, gas station, hotel, beaches, 2 caravan sites, as well as a visitors center. Mentioning the ancient history of Migdal, namged after Magdala, in 1.5 lines - "Migdal is named after a city from the Second Temple period called "Magdala". The ancient city is believed to have been located in the location of the depopulated Palestinian village of al-Madjdal, which preserved the name." - is not our practice regarding modern cities that encompass older ones - e.g. New Amsterdam and New York City.Icewhiz (talk) 11:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I see it, Magdala should receive a section in the article as a landmark or a notable place. I haven't yet got to work on Migdal, but probably when it will have a larger article, a small section about Magdala won't feel like not enough. Migdal has over 100 years of history of its own.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 13:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]