Talk:Mihaloğlu Ali Bey

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Two notes[edit]

I would like to add two notes:

  • It is claimed that Mihaloğlu Ali Bey (name in Turkish) was Köse Mihal's son. True, the anchestor of the family was Köse Mihal. But Ali Bey was not Köse Mihal's son who lived two hundred years ago.
  • According to my sources Mihaloğlu Ali Bey was killed in 1492 by Rudolf de Keven Holler.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 05:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your notes. I changed sons to descendants. On it.wiki it is also 1507 as his year of death. Will you please be so kind to present your sources for his murder in 1492? Thanks once again.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source which contain information about existence of the views about his Slavic origin[edit]

Antid. in Kose Mihal it is written that he was of Byzantine Greek origin, but the sources you've added on this article say that Mihaloglu was of an Islamicized Slavic origin i.e either one of the two sources is unreliable or there are two different Mihaloglus. On the other hand the Prince Marko source quotes a 19th century Serb folkorist/historian so that one's probably the unreliable source.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 10:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did not understand your post. What exactly you propose? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that I maybe understood your point. I guess that you believe that I used sources which are not RS because they contain information about existence of the "Slavic origin" view. You wrote "the sources you've added on this article say that Mihaloglu was of an Islamicized Slavic origin". That is incorrect. There is only one source which contain information about Islamicized Slavic origin view which is clearly attributed to historians who authored that view, toghether with other views. Though, I did not use that source to present Islamicized Slavic view but the year of death. If that source is wrong about the year of his death it will be replaced. What is the problem with that?
I think there is no policy which forbid using sources which mention existence of the "Slavic origin" view of some people, together with other views. Am I wrong? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent)His ancestor's article says that he was of Greek origin and this one has a source about a Slavic origin i.e one of the two sources/claims should be removed and replaced by the other.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 12:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you support your claim with link to the policy which forbid using sources which mention existence of the "Slavic origin" view of some people?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I used that source for the year of death of Ali Bey, not for his origin. I already explained that. Your insisting to remove the source just because it contain information about existence of the "Slavic origin" view of some people can be understood by someone as tendentious editing. The same goes for repeating the same argument without convincing people.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Bey[edit]

I moved the title to Bey as it is the English translation of Beg and also used by more sources.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 10:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Takabeg (talk) 12:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to rename the article to Mihaloglu Ali Bey. Good point Takabeg. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:30, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

huh?[edit]

Something fishy in this article. According to it, this Ali Bey never won a battle, constantly being beat up by various Balkan princes. Its highly unlikely that such a weak commander would stay in command for so long during the expansion period of the Ottoman Empire. Either your sources are incomplete/wrong, or you are omitting some important facts for whatever reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.73.191.176 (talk) 22:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am the main contributor to this article. If I really omitted some important facts the only reason is that I did not find them in sources I found about Ali Bey. Ottoman point of view is neglected in sources generally. If you can point to the sources which contain additional important facts please do, so I could include them into the article. All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 00:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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