Talk:Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine

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Requested move 21 August 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 22:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Minister for Agriculture and the Marine → Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine – this is the correct title of the minister, as seen here. Sheila1988 (talk) 20:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the new official title is going to be Minister for Agriculture and the Marine. Why move it, only to move back again in a few weeks? Spleodrach (talk) 21:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - In Taoiseach Micheál Martin's ministerial announcement on 27 June, he clearly stated that it will going to be renamed to Minister for Agriculture and the Marine, shown on the RTÉ article.Edl-irishboy (talk) 12:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I would prefer if we adopted a policy of not moving the pages of either departments or ministers until they are officially moved by ministerial order, as it can lead to the wrong page being moved (as occured with Transport and Communications, and also with Social Protection). The name a department is eventually given is not always the same as that announced by the Taoiseach on the formation of the government (we saw that in recent times both with Rural and Community Development, with was announced as Community and Rural Affairs, and in the previous government with the Arts portfolio). I also think Wikipedia should be correct at the current time, rather than projecting forward. That said, we're probably very close to seeing the formal renaming, which could occur within the period of this discussion or shortly after, so despite my reservations, I'm happy to let this rest, and not move it. —Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 November 2020

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Minister for Agriculture and the Marine → Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine – Maybe food interests lobbied the department (as happened with Youth in the new DCEDIY), as it looks like this one is not being renamed, still DAFM several months later. Discussing this rather than moving boldly in deference to the fact that there was a previous discussion on same, but I think @Sheila1988 might have called it right in August. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 21:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - move to current official name, if they do eventually rename it, it can be moved back, though some sources suggest it will not be renamed - [1]. Spleodrach (talk) 09:44, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Good find on that near confirmation that the name isn't being changed! As this is a revert to its official name, so shouldn't inherently be controversial, if there's no opposition by tomorrow I'm tempted to move this back then. I'm saying Tuesday just to give us one more release of SIs to be sure, but it now looks like that might as well have been a slip on Martin's part (or his office) back in July. –Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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