Talk:Misogyny and mass media

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Hi! I read over the first paragraph and I was thinking to maybe highlight some of the words to link back to other pages. Also you reference to some people but I have no idea who they are so maybe you could first introduce them or explain who they are in the field or what their contributions are regarding the topic. Odolgopo (talk) 13:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Your sandbox is really impressive, and you seem to have a lot of great research! I think at one point you meant to say "gangsta rap" (where it links to the Wikipedia page), but it instead says, "gansta rap." One thing that I would suggest is to perhaps include some opposing views, so as to really maintain neutrality. Your sandbox is excellent, though, and the topic is very interesting. Aja99 (talk) 02:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC) Aja99ts

Hi i like you sandbox alot. It seems like you really are intrested in just stateing the facts, and not letting your own ideas come across. I like how you are showing how each type of music is causeing this issue and not just a one kind of music that you may not like. I cant wait to how this turns out good luck. richardw8704 (talk) 15:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Feedback

Thanks for your inquiry at my talk page. You are well on track with your efforts, and I think you have all the elements in place for a stand alone article on the broad topic of Misogyny and mass media. Develop a lead section which summarizes the general intent of the article. A very hap hazard example follows:

Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of females. Published examples exist in many forms, within multiple cultures, dating to antiquity with examples in the Bible, the Qur'an and other well regarded works. The modern era and the technological revolution has contributed efficient means to media and marketing to the resultant mass media familiar in the 21st century. The affect of coupling Misogyny and mass media has produced numerous examples where studies have concluded strong correlations between the misogynous messages, both blatant and sublime, and a corresponding physical manifestation of violence and hateful conduct, relative to exposure.

From the general introduction, you can append the many sub-sections that would be appropriate. Many of them you have already developed nicely, and there are others I can imagine you could add later, and I suspect other editors will also edit the article once it is published. I think the section names can be refined to a more succinct header. For example, we already know that Misogyny is directed against females, so it is redundant to restate the violence and aggression as against women. A better header would more simply be ==Music, violence, and aggression==. Under that you could have ===Gangsta Rap=== ===Rap=== ===Rock===, and any other you desire. Another section might be ==Violent and aggressive video== with ===Music videos===, ===Reality TV===, and ===Pornography=== as possible included sub-sections.

This is a good topic for an article and I believe it will easily qualify for WP:DYK inclusion. Let me know as soon as you are ready to publish it as an article because I would like to help ensure the best outcome, and effect the nomination on behalf of your efforts. I will also increase my own monitoring of this page from here, and provide more suggestions to help refine the end product. You are developing a very nice article here, kudos to you. My76Strat (talk) 04:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Peer Review

So after looking through your article it looks pretty much amazing. I feel like i should find a way to make mine look like yours. I was hard pressed to find any typo's or any other grammar mistakes and it seemed to flow really well. Great Job! Mike Nolan33 (talk) 14:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I thought I would help you out as well with the article. I think it looks great so far, there is an evident organized structure to it and I also like how the writing is fluid. I would revise some of the titles like "Why violent music may not influence aggression" and maybe you could add a section like "consenquences of violent music" and list how some women have been drastically afftected. Here are some links to scholarly article related to consenquences: Implicit and explicit consequences of exposure to violent and misogynous rap music - http://gpi.sagepub.com/content/5/2/133.short (full article available on side)The Influence Of Misogynous Rap Music On Sexual Aggression Against Women - http://pwq.sagepub.com/content/19/2/195.short (gives sourcs for other good articles as well within) (full article available on side) The Effects of Sexually Violent Rock Music on Males' Acceptance of Violence Against Women - http://pwq.sagepub.com/content/15/1/49.short Odolgopo (talk) 14:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

This is a fantastic start

This is a fantastic start to an article. I am looking forward to seeing its evolution. Debaser42 (talk) 13:47, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

New Ideas

Reading your article reminded me of some of Eminem's earlier stuff. If you look at the lyrics, he talks about raping and murdering women. I found an article that discusses it, below is a link to it, as well as a quote... maybe it will give you some ideas about how to expand your article.

• "homicidal misogyny has become so commonplace in entertainment media that there is no further need to discuss it."
• http://rosalindwiseman.com/2009/06/09/eminem-misogyny-and-the-sounds-of-silence/

Eff Gjeni (talk) 03:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I wonder if it would be fitting to add a subsection on sexism/misogyny in advertisements. Heyates14 (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I added link to "Exploitation of women in mass media because it is discussed there Heyates14 (talk) 02:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Possible Video Game Info

Here's a couple of links to some articles that deal Misogyny in video games. The first article is from the video games website Kotaku and deals with Misogyny in the popular video game series Street Fighter. The second is a book about misogyny in video games through google books. I hope this helps your article. It's looking great by the way!

http://kotaku.com/5854819/he-asked-about-misogyny-in-street-fighter-and-the-games-caretakers-didnt-dodge

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Y5_cbfm3YfYC&oi=fnd&pg=PR8&dq=misogyny+video+games&ots=pffFVAB6vo&sig=dVjBDWXy4CN13MXjqs64PelJs9g#v=onepage&q=misogyny%20video%20gamesmisogny&f=false

Sjeanbap (talk) 05:44, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Excellent Project

This is a great project - rather than more information, look at how you've arranged and organized (and formatted) your information. Try some "wikifying" of your project, as well as consistently organizing subtopics with header styles. For example, should "usenet" be under videos, or somewhere else, regarding file sharing? Usenet is merely a place where files are shared, but apparently research indicates that it hosts an excessive amount of overtly misogynistic material. Setting this type of information aside in a different section would help to clarify this information - it not be about the video content, but about the places the content is found. Debaser42 (talk) 17:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

removal of section on why pornography may not influence aggression

I put all your new material into the beginning of the subsection on pornography. The material you keep removing is sourced and on point in this article. Is there some reason you don't want to just leave it in there and add your new material? It's important to engage on the talk page rather than just removing sourced material repeatedly without explaining. — alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:10, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

• Hi Elizabeth 1948, I've reverted your recent edits, [1] because they contained what we call original research. It's not that I necessarily agree with what's there already (I only glanced at it), but because your additions were problematic. I found similar problems elsewhere in articles you had edited (for example, here). Would you mind posting here what you'd like to add, along with the sources? That way, the parts of it that are in dispute can be discussed first, and whatever is agreed can be added to the article. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 06:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

misleading image file

Hi. The picture with the Rock music section of this page is of metal band Judas Priest. They're not representative of misogyny in rock at all. I suggest something like the cover of Whitesnake's "Slide It In" would be more "appropriate". Thanks.Bomb 21 (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah - this is an uninformed attack on the wrong kind of metal. You want to mention hard rock and hair / cock rock. Not motorcycle robot sci-fi metal. Little metal is about sex / love / relationships. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.66.15 (talk) 17:22, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Not Causally

The attorney general's commission found that viewing of sexually aggressive pornography is causally connected to sexual violent behavior (United States Department of Justice, 1986)

US DoJ Numbers provide a evidence of a correlation not causation, so saying it is Causal is False.

Derry Adama (talk) 01:09, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@DerryAdama: the Meese Report explicitly says the two are causally related. See, for example, section 5.2.1 where the words "causal" and "causally" appear 8 times when describing sexually violent material and aggressive behavior towards women. Woodroar (talk) 01:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

In addition, the report uses your previous phrasing of "casually connected" a total of zero times, DerryAdama. I have no objection per se to the current state of the sentence, but if the AG didn't conclude that there was a causal connection, then he certainly didn't conclude that there was a casual connection (whatever that would mean). -Thibbs (talk) 02:39, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

The current phrasing isn't great, as it misrepresents what the source actually says: that there is causation, not simply correlation. Woodroar (talk) 23:04, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

It would be helpful to add an inline citation to the Meese report for the specific claim. Surgeon General Koop's report (cited inline for the next sentence of this article) specifically says that there is not enough information to make a causal connection although he does cover in depth at least one paper that did find a causal connection (full document here). -Thibbs (talk) 03:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Good call.  Done. Woodroar (talk) 03:26, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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Removed Jeffrey Arnett paper on Adolescent Behaviour

I've removed this paper from the Heavy Metal section as it did not support the statements made in the section. This is how the paper defines Sexual Attitudes -

On Sexual Attitudes there was also a significant difference, with those in the heavy metal group reporting more self-assurance with regard to dating and sexuality.

The paper also states that the differences in behaviour were present for both girls and boys. The paper also states that these findings are not necessarily causal and that "regression analyses were performed with the objective of obtaining a provisional answer". It does not find a causal link between Sexual Attitudes in boys and Heavy Metal music. "For boys, when liking/not liking heavy metal music was entered into the regression equation after sensation seeking and family relationships, it remained a significant predictor only for drunk driving and marijuana use." Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 05:18, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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