Talk:Mohammad Yamin

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Notability tag[edit]

Is patently ridiculous - it needs to be removed. There are streets named after him all over Indonesia, and if he is Pahlawan Nasional - that is sufficient apart from his poisition in Indonesian public life. SatuSuro 04:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup tag[edit]

Equally so - a few repetitions and redundancies do not deserve such a tag. SatuSuro 09:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The article has extremely long sections, making it very difficult to read through (see how other articles will incorporate images, or, lacking that, breaking up sections into text: George W. Bush). Should we put the {{sections}} template on it? Patstuart^talk|edits 09:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good - at least we know our differences on this one. I agree but I dont - In each paragraph there are references to Indonesian history and context the writer has included that are covered in other articles - I suspect the writer is unaware of the other articles. It is a matter of leading the writer to the issue of repeating information that is covered elsewhere. I have asked for the writer to communicate - and I would like to give him/her the opportunity to engage about it before actually doing any serious editing. If there is no response in the medium term - then I think someone with a good knowledge of the range of articles available in the domain of Indonesian history should slowly but surely do some edits. Your example leaves me shudderring ! SatuSuro 09:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Internal mess[edit]

WP MOS does not consider external links inside an article as any good - and then there are internal lnks to WP IN as references - no go - either WP EN or nothing.Satu Suro 12:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use of "Malay" language[edit]

This article constantly cites Yamin's use of "Malay." It's nearly identical to bahasa Indonesia, of course, but why say "Malay" when Yamin was an Indonesian nationalist? Granted, he felt that there was a common *racial* identity with Malays, but ... why the use of the "Malay" language? After all, Yamin was a signatory of the Sumpah Pemuda, which basically invented bahasa INdonesia. So it's strange to see the word "Malay" all over the piece. --Smilo Don 15:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I presume thats what the sources said. Beyond this the Malay being referred is I believe Riau Malay, which is a Sumatran language. Even though Sumpah Pemuda was signed in 1928, formal efforts to define the Indonesian language didn't start until 1942. I don't know at which point his writings could be considered to make use of the "Indonesian language" instead of Riau Malay. User:Meursault2004, our language expert, may be able to provide a more authoritative viewpoint. (Caniago 16:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]