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Forever Knight[edit]

Though the series might possess outward similarities to Forever Knight or Angel, it has not aired on CBS. To pass early judgment and thus compromise the neutrality of this article goes against Wikipedia policies. Kiki 06:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to point out that the show has similarities to previous shows, although I question the necessity to list them as this poster has. I have removed the biased commentary about lack of originality, which seems very unfair. --Tailkinker 07:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the hell with it - the list of similarities is unnecessary and based purely on a trailer for the show, which may not give the true picture. I think we can lose that, too. --Tailkinker 07:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for revising it. :) Kiki 08:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to the administration you've done nothing but compromise the neutrality of numerous articles on Wikipedia Miss Kiki. After all, this is what's posted on the discussion page of your user account. "This IP has been repeatedly blocked from editing Wikipedia in response to abuse of editing privileges. Further abuse from this IP may result in an immediate block without further warning."

"Criticism"[edit]

The entire criticism section merely compares Moonlight to Angel, without citing sources. This hardly seems adequate for an entire section, and without sources, its similarity to Angel being cited as a criticism is not NPOV. XINOPH | TALK 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that this article really needs a criticism section, simply because anyone who's watched even one episode of Angel will instantly begin pointing out the obvious similarities. Some of these include: the incessant popping up behind someone else seemingly out of no-where, the black convertible, the attraction to the little blonde girl who is a mortal, killing his ex-lover only for her to somehow come back to haunt him and many more. This could partly be due to David Greenwalt (of Angel fame) doing the showrunning. I'm reluctant to do the edit myself as I don't really have much experience with Wikipedia's rules, but I just thought that I should voice my opinion as I have had conversations with many people about this and I think it needs to be said Niksko (talk) 01:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any content for such a section would have to be from reliable sources, per Wikipedia's guidelines. Blogs, fan sites, and editor opinions do not meet that standard. If you have any links to critiques that might be suitable, please post them here for review. Cheers. --Ckatz^chat _spy 01:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This Show[edit]

Finally a show about a vampire.You know this is a little like CSI, you know crimes being done and I have only question when is it coming out!!!!????Daman1234 18:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it would be valid to point out this show's similarities to other media. I'm sort of disturbed at how much it seems to borrow from the Twilight book series by Stephenie Meyer, in which there is a gorgeous immortal vampire who doesn't hunt people and is in love with a mortal girl. *coughs* It's also very fishy that this show was originally titled 'Twilight' as well. -CJ

Could be based on the book.Smileyface 12 91 07:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard if it before, so I went and looked at Stephenie Meyer and the links to her books. Beyond having vampires in it, the two stories are nothing alike at all, IMO. The Twilight books read like a 90210/Buffy hybrid. Tarc 13:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moonlight and Twilight are nothing alike at all except the part where they have given up hunting humans. Twilight has become a disappointing series ever since Stephenie Meyer released Breaking Dawn. Moonlight is a vampire-detective series, much different than Twilight, which is a vampire-romance book, where Bella is hopelessly obsessed with Edward, Edward,and EDWARD!At least Beth actually has a life and doesn't obsess over Mick. K-K (talk) 17:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blood Ties (TV series) Moonlight (TV series) [edit]

Whereas I've seen both, I'm convinced that they are virtually the same, & should be linked.

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[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 02:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They are, via Category:Vampires in film and television. Tarc 11:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is much more than that; some of the examples:

Vampire man, sufficiently old f/ newsstories to be contradictory regarding age, working as private-investigator;

Human woman, who vacillates as to her identity as one or the other, working as either a private-investigator, or as an aggressive investigative-journalist;

These two {pairs}, habitually, save each other, literally & otherwise. In each, some perceive them as partners, others do not. In each, there are various puns, other humor, regarding the historical discrepancies.

Is there anyone who believes that they've seen all, or most, episodes of each?? I have no actual evidence of plagiarism; but, it simply seems that alike.

Neither one has a consistent vampire-slayer, except for the vampire who chooses amongst other vampires.

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[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 22:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen both the Blood Ties series and Moonlight and while they are alike, Blood Ties seems to focus more on solving supernatural mysteries while Moonlight, so far, seems based in the "real world." Excluding the vampires. Henry and Viki fight demons on a regular basis. Mick finds missing children. Also, Henry isn't a PI. He's a (comic book, I think) artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liberateourtime (talk • contribs) 05:04, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have ambivalence about your comment.

Each of the leading-vampires have historically perpetually recycled names:

Saint John
Henry_Fitzroy{, Hank Fitzroyal??}

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 22:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The lead characters are completely different. The mythology of creatures that exist are completely different. Blood Ties is based on the books by Tanya Huff. Moonlight seems to be based on nothing in particular. If anything, it looks like Forever Knight redone in a US version. There's really no deep connection here.

And if you think they're that similar you should check out the modern conventions (Huff, Hamilton, Harris, Harrison, Banks, Butcher, Green). The paranormal investigator category is currently chock full of stuff, so it starts to look a lot similar. 19:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Song list[edit]

Should we make a list of songs featured in the show? they would be My Immortal, The Bird and the Worm, and the Celine Dion song. icelandic hurricane #12_(talk) 22:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The character section[edit]

This really needs a bit of work, the writing is choppy and all over the place. I've made an initial revision of Coraline's entry. Tarc 20:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

fleur-de-lis fleur de lis fleur de Lis [edit]

In tonight's episode, Coraline | Morgan Vincent, before her vampyr hickey, was branded as a courtesan, by a fleur de lis,..... Was that typical? &, in her case, w/o consent,....?

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Ratings + Episode info[edit]

Added a table with the episode titles, and ratings for each episode (showing how strong this show is going!) - need to add sources later but going to bed. Strager (talk) 11:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added sources, new ratings info, and I changed the table. Looks way better now. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 03:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

moonheavy moondark moonlight_(disambiguation) [edit]

I do wish that I could locate an answer to that previous question.

There is another moonlight:

< http://news.scotsman.com/ViewArticle.aspx?articleid=3336983 >:

Particle Physics and Astronomy Research Council (PPARC)

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Cast pic.[edit]

Can anyone here please upload a cast pic? ₩іκіRocкs/Love$ounds ♥ talκ 13:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 10:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cast[edit]

Something should really be done about the cast section. Should we make a new page? Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 02:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've created the page. Please feel free to edit it. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 10:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fan Sites[edit]

Fan sites should not be removed simply because they are fan sites. They should be judged individually. People frequently make the mistake of pointing to WP:EL as if it indicates all fan sites should be removed but this is not true. There have been numerous discussions on similar situations;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:External_links/Archive_19#Fan_sites.3F

WP:NOT#LINK for example states; "On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate." --96.24.161.27 (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

However, one must also keep in mind that there is a need to demonstrate why a particular site merits inclusion, otherwise it can and should be removed. There is not an automatic presumption that there has to be a listing, and if a site is linked, there should be consensus as to why that particular site is best. Otherwise, the next fan that comes along may say "why not this site?" and the list grows. --Ckatz^chat _spy 20:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the current site listed (Moonlight Archive), I think it merits inclusion because it is one of the more well known fan sites, it features show data (promo photos, episode data) that is provided courtesy of and with approval from CBS, it is used as a reference earlier in the article itself, and it does not engage in copyright infringement like many other sites (by hosting screencaps, etc). --96.24.161.27 (talk) 14:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

mythology[edit]

The so called mythology of becoming a vampire, role of a sire, stuff they can be hurt with, how they react to sunlight is not as unique as the article says (this refers also struggle between the human and the beast nature, idea how St. John gets his "food" and much more) It has a lot in common with rpg (story telling) game of Vampire: the mascarade. BTw. read the manuals, a lot of intresting ideas about vampires a lot of them exist in this TV series. (sorry form my english) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.210.132.167 (talk) 11:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, there is a certain similarity but these issues crop up in a lot of other vampire myth retellings as well. While it's not "unique" per se, I'm not convinced it's justified to state that it's based on the Vampire: The Gathering game, either. Do you have any evidence that the mythology was actually based on the White Wolf game? I can't find any. Kate (talk) 21:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- I'm going to delete that part. Drinking blood to create vampires goes back to Dracula, not WW. The term sire is specific to WW, but not so completely that they've got it patented. It is an old word indicating the person who fathered you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.50.201.98 (talk) 19:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Just for clarity the White Wolf games are Vampire the Requiem and the older Vampire the Masquerade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.221.102.131 (talk) 21:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The supposed mythology of becoming a Vampire, appears to come straight out of Interview with a Vampire by Ann Rice, as does a lot of the guilt trip elements.

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Moonlight (TV series)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

The article's looking pretty good (an interesting read, too!), and there are just a few things that might need fixing/altering:

Image:Moonlight series.jpg and Image:MoonlightCast.jpg aren't low resolution as they should be per the fair use criteria - could be scaled down a bit.
David Greenwalt joined the staff in May 2007 as showrunner and executive producer alongside Joel Silver; but health reasons forced Greenwalt to leave the series - don't see the need for a semicolon instead of a comma.
Due to the 2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike, production of the series was halted - maybe give a rough (or not so much) date so the reader knows around what time production was put on hold.
Following the CBS cancellation, Warner Bros. is inquiring with other outlets about their interest in the show.[26] Following the CBS cancellation, Warner Bros. Television inquired with other outlets about their interest in the series - pretty much the same sentence with different tenses. The inquiry is now over, is it not?
Werksman said that Moonlight would be released on DVD sometime in September 2008 - did this ever happen, and/or did he have anything else to say on the matter? It's October now and maybe this needs updating.
On June 23, 2008 a report stated that efforts to sell the show to another network had failed, and the show was permanently canceled - what kind of report, and who authored/published it?
Although he realizes that Beth means quite a bit to him - reads somewhat informally; maybe reword.
Beth Turner, an internet reporter, and St. John's love interest - don't need the second comma as "an internet and St. John's love interest" is one clause. And can he just be "Mick" here, as that's what he's referred to as elsewhere (starting with the line below).
At the beginning of the series, she was dating an assistant district attorney - never use past tense to recount fiction so use "she dates" or "is dating".
Josef Kostan, a centuries old vampire and St. John's mentor and friend - "centuries-old" and "Mick" instead of "St. John" to avoid confusion when switching between names.
Mick becomes desperate in obtaining Coraline's secret to becoming mortal - "desperate to obstain"?
Maybe add Coraline's "Morgan" pseudonym to the Cast and characters section for clarity.
Mick encounters two vampires who are looking for Coraline. Once they leave, Mick visits Josef - Josef isn't introduced (in the plot) until this point so maybe use a simple epithet to describe him like "Mick visits his vampire friend Josef". You can probably come up with a better one than me.
I wouldn't list Anne Rice as "vampire related media"; "Anne Rice's works" might do better.
Tim Goodman of The San Francisco Chronicle considered the series "may well be the worst new fall show" - doesn't make sense; that's like me saying "I consider the series be good".
The dialogue was described as "groan-inducing" - described by whom? This can't stand alone.
The lead claims "the pilot managed to finish first among total viewers and adults 18–49 for its night" but this is never mentioned let alone sourced in the main body of the article.

A nice article which doesn't need too much work to become a GA. The GAN will be on hold for a week so good luck with making changes in that time. :) —97198 (talk) 08:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, I appreciate it. Anyways, I think I have taken care of all the comments, except for the image ones which I will fix soon. I couldn't think of anything better than "vampire friend" (**blushing**), I guess that's the best way to do it. So, are there any more comments based on the updates? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 06:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After some troube, I managed to upload pictures with a lower resolution. Low enough? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 08:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the images: I didn't mean for you to crop parts off the images, I meant to take the entire image and scale it down, so, for example, if it was 12x10, make it 6x5. Let me know if you want me to do it for you. All other changes look good. —97198 (talk) 03:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, well as you can see I have no idea about image resolution, so if you could do it, that would be great. Thanks, Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 05:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do they look to you now? —97198 (talk) 06:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They look good. The cast picture is a bit fuzzy, but otherwise it's fine. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 06:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the cast image did screw up a little - I uploaded another, hopefully that works out. It's not a big deal whichever way, so I'll go and promote the article to GA but I'm happy to keep playing with the image if this one's not okay. Well done! —97198 (talk) 10:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DVD Already Released[edit]

The DVD of the first season has already been released, I know because I'm watching it right now after I got it for Christmas, it is not a pirate, it came in four discs with each one holding four episodes and the box they came in had proper box art. There is no way the DVD is being released on January 29th, 2009. (The only difference I've noted is that the DVDs I possess have no commentary by O'Loughlin on them) 84.45.134.188 (talk) 22:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Amazon lists the release date as January 20, 2009. Where did you buy it from? Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 03:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak to the release date since I only bought my copy of the set recently, but it is true that the DVD set did not include commentary from O'Loughlin (or any other bonus features), so that should probably be removed. Dissonancetheory (talk) 10:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that info has been removed. Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 10:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Repetition[edit]

I think someone should mention that the Sci-Fi Channel repeats the series since 01/23/09. 84.59.87.20 (talk) 19:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's already there, see the "Promotion and distribution" section. Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 05:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hello i just bought a series of mick i mean moonlight what a good series who was so stupid to cancell this series they are such good actors and beth was fantastic what were they thinking how dumb better bring it back thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.237.116 (talk) 13:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

I suggest we merge the contents of Characters of Moonlight to this page, as the page is unlikely to be expanded. Most of the information there is already on the main page here, and the character page is already too detailed and full of cruft. Does anyone oppose such a merger? Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 13:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As no one opposed, I have redirected the page. Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 02:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Wiki ProjectHorror[edit]

I'm not very familiar with the show, but there is no mention of horror in the articles prose or categories and the introduction text refers to it as a "paranormal romance". Should this show be included in the WikiProject? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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