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Dutch: Moezel Marcov 20:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested moves

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a clear consensus that the river is the PRIMARYTOPIC. Xoloz (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]



– In English, the primary topic for "Moselle" is the river, that's what people are generally referring to when they talk about "the Moselle". This is clearly confirmed on google books. Some way behind the river, are the Moselle valley and Moselle wine, but I am not proposing to change those. However, not many English-speakers are familiar with French department names, so Moselle, in the sense of a department is way behind, yet it is currently the primary topic. This move request resolves that problem by moving Moselle to Moselle (department), following the disambiguation convention for French departments. Bermicourt (talk) 17:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Make Moselle a dab page & move the department to Moselle (department), per Jenks24. I'm sceptical of the claim that people would be familiar with the river but not department. If you're knowledgeable enough to know about the name of a French sub-tributary of the Rhine, then you should know that French departments are very often, even predominantly, named after rivers. Regarding traffic, 75% of the traffic going to the department would have to be meant for the river to give it a bare majority. Wp:primarytopic says "clearly more than all other topics combined". In this case, that would mean perhaps 20,000 of the 30,000 views. Considering that a fair share of viewers not looking for the department might be looking for something else than the river also, in this case the wine, a disambiguation page is what is needed. walk victor falk talk 06:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Thank you for the suppport. I wonder if you could recheck the arithmetic? My calculations suggest only 30% would be needed, but I may be wrong. Also, in my experience, European English speakers overwhelmingly know the Moselle river and valley as a very picturesque tourist destination in both Germany and France, but would not have a clue about French departments. Even so, page visits are not considered by Wikipedia to be decisive. However the hard evidence from Google Books and from non-admin articles is that "Moselle" is referring to the river - around 70% in the case of Google Books. --Bermicourt (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding page visits, they are considered decisive. What you mean by "primary topic" (covered more often by books) is not the same as wp:primarytopic. In fact, until bits about "enduring notability" and "educational value" were added, traffic was the only criterion. I wrote the mini-essay WP:TITANIC on why it was bad, at that time Avatar was about the movie and not the hindu concept. Things are better now, even if there are still things like nickelodeon, which should about the early small movie theatres no matter how many more hits the children's channel gets. However, in this case neither candidates has a superior qualitative advantage, so the quantitative one is the determining one. Regarding my arithmetic, you need to take around three quarters (or 75%) of the department's hits (around 7000 out of 10000, (and a 100% of them must be people looking for the river)) and add them to the river's 13000 to have a clear enough 2/3 majority of hits, i.e. 20000 out of 30000. walk victor falk talk 16:59, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I'm hardly a math genius myself, but the importance of statistical significance has been bashed in my skull . walk victor falk talk 20:35, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

tourist brochure?

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The second paragraph of this article reads like the blurb in a tourist brochure. I read a lot of geographic articles yet, offhand, I can't recall another intro so obviously so. - ZuluKane (talk) 19:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"winegrowing" vs. "wine growing" vs. "wine-growing"

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@Bermicourt: Although Merriam-Webster shows "wine growing", it is shown as a noun. Used as a compound modifier, it would take a hyphen ("wine-growing region"). Collins Dictionary shows "winegrowing". There is no justification for using all three forms in one article, as this one did before I changed it (same with the Lower Moselle article). The Collins Dictionary choice ("winegrowing") has the benefit of not setting us up for arguments about whether the hyphen is needed when used adjectivally. One way to settle what form to use is to search the revision history to see which form was used in the earliest revision and the use that form throughout the article. I did not research this, but you are free to do so. Chris the speller yack 04:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]